Scoffer: Christians need to get out of the business of influencing secular law!!!! Separation of church and state!!!!
Scoffer: Christians need to speak up and support stricter gun laws!!!!! What’s wrong with you???
That’s just stupid
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February 16, 2018 at 08:08
It’s like something Agent X said: “Us old folx like to cite the case of prayer being taken out of school, and I have no doubt that is a benchmark in the progression we talk about, but I don’t see it as a cause. I see it as a symptom.” The symptoms will be resolved when we get to the root of the problem…thanks for sharing! Oh, and a “Yep”….
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February 16, 2018 at 08:24
Thanks pastor Randy. Yes! That is is exactly. All of these things are just symptoms, and never address the root issue. The question for us as Christians is why do we get so wrapped up in the symptoms?
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February 16, 2018 at 09:27
Symptoms are what we can see. So much easier to hand out a prescription for redemption than scrubbing in for heart surgery.
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February 16, 2018 at 09:33
Ha. That’s sort of what I just said at your place
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February 16, 2018 at 09:34
Lol. Never mind. Sorry Karisa I thought that was pastor Randy talking . That was well said though Thanks!
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February 16, 2018 at 13:40
Ooh, now I’ve got to read Randy’s blog. 😉
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February 16, 2018 at 13:53
I think it’s his this morning one
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February 16, 2018 at 21:12
That’s a good question. Sounds like another great blog….from you!
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February 16, 2018 at 09:44
Stupid indeed. Of course they also say Christians need to do something about healthcare, welfare, immigrants…
Separation of church and state as long as it suits them.
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February 16, 2018 at 09:46
Exactly James thank you
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February 16, 2018 at 10:12
YW 🙂
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February 16, 2018 at 15:42
How odd. Not a single person has come to defend this thought process.
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February 16, 2018 at 19:01
I don’t think there is a defense
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February 16, 2018 at 16:46
YES! What you said!!!
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February 16, 2018 at 17:28
I am patiently waiting for someone to come explain this to me.
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February 16, 2018 at 18:19
LOL
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February 16, 2018 at 22:38
Ok as I have suggested Christians should be on the gun control wagon I will explain from an observers’ point of view as someone who lives outside of your country in one of the safest developed countries in the world.
Politics and religion are more intertwined in North America than in any other Christian based country. Your politicians do not get any votes and are booted out if they do not declare they are Christians and there are many lobby groups who are religiously motivated and are Donald Trump’s core voters. Many financial donors are Christian groups and individuals (including maybe the Russians).
For the good of your country and for the benefit of the American people, especially the school children, what other groups of people are so high in numbers and would be morally motivated towards a safe and peaceful environment as much as loving and caring Christians?
What is the logic when Christians rise up against abortion, however do not say boo when the kids in a school are mowed down?
It appears that the love of guns has outweighed the love of God, in America.
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February 17, 2018 at 04:22
Steve.
Read the post and address the content of it. Then try again. If you need me to explain the point, I can.
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February 17, 2018 at 04:41
I think the post mentions “gun laws” does it not Wally?
Anyway, I figure whatever I wrote will not make sense to anybody who is on this site, especially if they are American gun owners and in fact nobody would have any real answers, so let’s just wait for the next mass killing.
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February 17, 2018 at 04:45
Yes Steve, it mentions them. Good grief.
It also makes an actual point, which you failed to address.
That’s just stupid.
Again, though, if you need the post explained, I can.
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February 18, 2018 at 05:51
Please explain what this post is about as you offered to me Wally if you do not want to address Ark’s request.
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February 18, 2018 at 05:59
How cute Ark went and got help. Yes, when I do what I need to get done i will explain it for you Steve
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February 18, 2018 at 06:28
No problem, Steve; I did tell you that.
Point one. You, along with most of the atheists evangelists, have repeatedly spoken out against Christians attempting to impose(as you say) Christian values on secular laws. That is fact. You have said it often.
Point two. You, at least, clearly believe support for gun control is or should be a Christian position. This is how I know this.
“as I have suggested Christians should be on the gun control wagon”
“It appears that the love of guns has outweighed the love of God, in America”
Clearly you believe this to be true. The evidence of this is that..um..you said so.
Point three. You, along with your atheists evangelists friends, have spent much time up in arms railing against Christians(using our own faith as a bludgeon) for not getting on this “gun control wagon.” Again your words.
Point 4. Reference back to point one.
Point 5. You don’t get it both ways.
That’s just stupid.
Now you understand the post. Address it or move on. Or continue to look stupid, I really don’t care LOL.
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February 18, 2018 at 07:42
Thank you, Wally, for such an articulated answer.
I agree that Christian pressures on secular laws are not desirable such as school science curriculums and marriage laws, however as it also happens Christians are very committed in changing the laws governing abortion, therefore it appears Christian groups are only politically active on morality issues when it suits them.
What is the difference here? The gun laws should naturally have become a morality issue for large passively natured religious organisations such as Christianity. The silence is deafening.
It appears obvious that gun owning Christians along with the rest of the gun owning population, the NRA and gun manufacturers do not want to give up their guns and memberships or stop making money by producing them for the public good. The latest shooting will just become another statistic that will be superseded in the near future.
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February 18, 2018 at 07:53
Steve your position is incoherent, contradictory and inconsistent. It is,in fact, stupid.
You don’t get to demand silence from Christians on some issues and demand speaking up on others. Your position is stupid.
Honestly, your comment above is the biggest mishmash of stupid I have ever seen.
Just say what you mean, Steve. All people must agree with you or shut up.
LOL.
You are as testosterone deficient as Ark.
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February 18, 2018 at 07:57
” therefore it appears Christian groups are only politically active on morality issues when it suits them.”
Meant to say. That statement was EXTRA stupid.
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February 18, 2018 at 08:28
” therefore it appears Christian groups are only politically active on morality issues when it suits them.”
Why do you call this EXTRA stupid? Abortion is regarded as a life and death issue is it not, and obviously gun controls are about rectifying a life and death situation, so what is the huge difference for Christian morality?
Leave it with you, good night.
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February 18, 2018 at 08:36
I say that is EXTRA stupid because that is exactly what you are doing.
LOL…so you stand by your position that Christians should shut up when you say so, and speak up when you say so.
Got it.
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February 18, 2018 at 07:26
It’s explained now in less that a thousand words answer it.
Do you want us to shut up or speak up? You don’t get it both ways
That is stupid
Your answer only needs to be two words long
Shut up or speak up
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February 17, 2018 at 18:38
Good point!
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February 17, 2018 at 18:40
Yet there seems to be no explanation forth coming. I wonder why
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February 17, 2018 at 18:41
Yep!
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February 17, 2018 at 20:27
Wally, you shouldn’t be so harsh and straightforward. Just kidding! Keep on, my brother!
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February 17, 2018 at 20:33
Thanks Matthew. I still await an answer, though.
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February 17, 2018 at 20:28
Like you always say Wally, YEP! Lol. I think you will be waiting quite a long time for an answer.
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February 17, 2018 at 20:36
I know. In a couple of decades I won’t even be here; they need to hurry.
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February 18, 2018 at 04:22
Exactly what is the point you are trying to make by the two ”quotes” in the post, Wally?
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February 18, 2018 at 05:21
Read it it’s very self explanatory. Every body else got it
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February 18, 2018 at 05:27
Well, I am feeling more than a bit slow this morning.
What exactly is the point?
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February 18, 2018 at 05:29
Well, if you don’t get it, yo won’t be able to address it. Go find somebody smart to help you. I am not here to answer questions.
Have a day, Ark
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February 18, 2018 at 05:34
But it is just two quotes that seem designed to insult.
What do you as an individual think should be done to at least try to stop such senseless mass shootings in the future?
Hypothetically, if you had carte blanche right now, what would you ask the lawmakers to do?
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February 18, 2018 at 05:36
This post is not about gun control. You aren’t illiterate.
Your comment…that’s just stupid.
Address the post or don’t. I’m must going to call any comments that don’t address the post stupid.
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February 18, 2018 at 05:37
So what is it about then?
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February 18, 2018 at 05:39
If you don’t get it, you might be stupid. Find a smart friend to help.
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February 18, 2018 at 05:39
Prayer, Evil, God, WHAT!
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February 18, 2018 at 05:40
What? What is apparently you are stupid. Eventually you will quit being called stupid and get with it.
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February 18, 2018 at 05:39
If this is not about gun laws/control what is it about then?
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February 18, 2018 at 05:40
Cutting and pasting half of a post and misrepresenting it is stupid.
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February 18, 2018 at 05:43
If I’d pasted it all I still donot see what exactly you are getting at. Maybe this is a cultural American thing, Wally, but it’s going right over my head. For the sake of brevity. Yes, I must be as thick as two short planks today.
What the heck am I amissing here?
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February 18, 2018 at 05:44
Take all the time you need, really. I’ll be out for a bit. I’m the environmental control guy down at the church. In other words I run the heat on. Gotta make sure the kids rooms are comfortable ya know.
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February 18, 2018 at 05:48
Okay, I just read your dialogue with Randy.
This is about symptoms, it seems. Yes?
Fair enough. And what do you think is the symptom, and how do you personally believe is the best way to make an inroad to sorting it out?
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February 18, 2018 at 05:49
No…still not there.
I’m bored. When you nail the point of the post and address it, I will respond.
I am busy this morning.
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February 18, 2018 at 05:44
If I’d pasted it all I still do not see what exactly you are getting at. Maybe this is a cultural American thing, Wally, but it’s going right over my head. For the sake of brevity, Yes, I must be as thick as two short planks today.
What the heck am I amissing here?
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February 18, 2018 at 05:44
You are repeating yourself!
That’s just stupid.
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February 18, 2018 at 06:02
Well let me see.
The first quote, what exactly are Christians trying to do to influence secular law? I have little knowledge of what happens on a day to day basis in the US in this regard and I don’t generally follow politics down here either.
Are Christians trying to get the law changed in some way in the US to favour Christianity?
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February 18, 2018 at 06:12
That comment is stupid coming from a guy who has just spent much if his life lecturing us on our political system.
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February 18, 2018 at 06:36
I have never ever lectured you on politics. What on earth are you talking about?
Unless you are referring to keeping religion out of things like local councils and schools etc.
So to the quote.
If we are looking at sorting out the root cause .. what is the problem we have to root out?
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February 18, 2018 at 06:37
That’s nice. Liar
Address the post now
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February 18, 2018 at 06:42
Oh, for goodness sake, Liar? Again? Really?
What was the political topic I have lectured you on …
Ask any of the regulars on your side and mine how much political content there is on my blog and in my comments.-
If you want to lay this accusation on me then stop messing about and be specific, Wally.
And then explain in simple terms what you are trying to say on the post and you have my word I shall address it.
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February 18, 2018 at 06:45
I explained to Steve read it
Address it
Have a day
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February 18, 2018 at 06:49
Okay, thanks … will do.
Back in a few minutes.
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February 18, 2018 at 07:00
Ah, right. Then I can only address the first point as your statement: You, at least, clearly believe support for gun control is or should be a Christian position does not apply to me as I think gun control is a National Issue not confined to any one group or demographic, even if it appears that many evangelical christian bloggers on the face of it oppose any sort of gun control.
So, to the first point, and your statement to Steve:
Iere I will agree in part.
I have spoken out, but not often .
However, I am not sure what you mean by ”Christian Values” as I am sure there will a considerable amount of overlapping between you and I, surprisingly enough.
I believe in democracy, freedom of speech, the right to decent health and medical care and as far as I can tell most of what secular humanist stand for especially with regard human rights.
I am in full agreement in all forms of religion being taught as part of the school curriculum but not as a credo (prayer etc) where one religion has privilege over another.
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February 18, 2018 at 07:20
Well this is easy. You either want us to shut up or speak up
It’s very sad that you lack the gumption to back your own beliefs and but back off them when they make you look stupid.
So which is it ark. The post. Do want Christians to shut up or speak up? Or just speak up where it’s in agreement with you and shut up when you don’t like it
Reduce your comment by a few hundred words and make a coherent answer.
The post address it.
If you can.
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February 18, 2018 at 07:28
Freedom of speech does not mean you have freedom to impose your religious beliefs.
You have no right to demand any form of special privilege just because of your religious beliefs.
Religious beliefs via doctrine/dogma should never be allowed to supersede human rights where lives may be in jeopardy, especially where this involves children. Refusal of blood transfusion on religious grounds for example.
Separation of religion and state is paramount.
That is why the US is a secular nation.
So shout as loud as you want but Creationism is not going to be taught in your schools – or any other one can hope – as far as I am aware.
I am an atheist and yes, an anti-theist.
What exactly am I not doing to ”back my beliefs” Wally?
Did I miss anything?
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February 18, 2018 at 07:50
Yeah you missed the point of the post lol
It’s okay ark.
I understand
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February 18, 2018 at 07:53
Nope, I answered the questions you posed to Steve.
So that makes you …wait for it … a liar?
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February 18, 2018 at 07:55
LOL.
Have a day Ark. You and Steve have proven the atheist world view is incoherent, inconsistent and contradictory. It is base only on the needs and desires of the person articulating it. It is a me based, selfish view. It is stupid.
You answered NOTHING.
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February 18, 2018 at 07:58
LOl … you raised two points with Steve.
I answered them both,
You are a liar.
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February 18, 2018 at 08:00
Sure thing! You did not, you put a bunch of incoherent words down. You KNOW what the point is. Your world view provides no answer to the dilemma, so you think 10,000 words will solve.
10,000 words just look 10.000 times more stupid.
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February 18, 2018 at 08:10
Then maybe you should consider your questions again?
Re-read what you wrote to Steve.
I answered the questions.You may not like the answers, but this does not mean I did not answer them.
If you insist, then either change the phrasing of your question/s or recognise that you are indeed, a liar.
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February 18, 2018 at 08:22
Gotcha. I am fine with my questions. You just cant address them.
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February 18, 2018 at 08:28
“I answered the questions.You may not like the answers, but this does not mean I did not answer them”
Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha!! You really said that. Classic. And stupid too.
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February 18, 2018 at 08:57
And that’s twice the liar. Want to try for a 3rd and strike out?
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February 18, 2018 at 09:03
LOL, you gonna ban me from my own blog?
No, that was truth. For you to say this IS stupid!
Have a day, Ark!
Don’t bother trying to answer to the post anymore. You can’t
The demand that Christians shut up about some secular issues, and speak up on others is incoherent, inconsistent and contradictory. It is stupid.
Not a single one of you have the guts to say what you really believe, which is:
Agree with me or shut up.
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February 18, 2018 at 09:11
Actually, you can speak up all you like as that is the definition of free speech.
But you are not entitled to special privilege because of your particular religious affiliations.
That is why the US is a secular country and not a theocracy.
And consider yourself fortunate this is so.
Wrong Wally. And you now seem to be going off the rails a bit.
You have never agreed with atheists, and especially me. But that’s okay, I have never said you can’t practice your beliefs.
Just don’t expect to have them foisted upon society in general, and children in particular.
If you think there is anything to my ”agenda” then you are sadly mistaken.
I can’t imagine any of your regulars reading along could see anything else in what I’ve written.
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February 18, 2018 at 08:11
I would say you are more selfish Wally, because Christianity is arguably the largest group of voters in your country. Here is an opportunity for Christianity to show some leadership and shine for once.
Calling people stupid is not going to solve any problems.
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February 18, 2018 at 08:27
Look, Steve, you have missed the point of the post. I have shared with you my personal views on gun control. You have ignored them. Go find somebody else to argue about that with.
On one hand you say Christians should not try to impose Christian morality on secular law.
Now you say we should.
That is in fact, incoherent. It is stupid.
That is the point, and the ONLY point in this post.
You cannot address it because your view is…stupid.
What you mean to say is, agree with me or shut up. That is thought control, and Fascism.
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February 18, 2018 at 11:42
What the heck is Christian morality?
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February 18, 2018 at 12:09
So no answer to the comment?
That’s really stupid
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February 18, 2018 at 12:18
What comment?
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February 18, 2018 at 12:25
Lol that’s really stupid that you just say random things
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February 18, 2018 at 12:27
Is it?
You seem to revel in stupidity, Wally. As a young earth creationist it is your ground state of being.
Which comment specifically would you like me to address?
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February 18, 2018 at 12:49
I’m sorry to have said stupid. In this case you are probably just being purposely evasive and possibly on the edge of lying. Stupid was wrong i am sorry
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February 18, 2018 at 12:53
Apology accepted.
So, direct me to the precise comment you wish me to address and I shall do so; of this you have my word.
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February 18, 2018 at 12:55
Dont make me have to retract that. Use some context clues and find it yourself.
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February 18, 2018 at 12:58
Oh , come on, Wally. I have addressed the comments you directed to Steve and you said this was not the comment.
Just cut to the chase and lay it on the line, please?
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