Just a great article from ExploreGod.com reposted on James’ place.
See you in a few hours!
Blessings and enjoy!
January 30, 2017 at 05:52
Wally, We have MANY churches up here in Western New York. Unfortunately, the VAST majority are either Catholic or dead mainline Protestant. It seems like two thirds of the small number of Gospel preaching churches are charismatic leaving only a few options for cessationists like myself.
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January 30, 2017 at 07:04
Well I can see how that would be the case up that way, Tom. We have small churches literally on almost every corner it seems like.
January 30, 2017 at 10:20
Yup, it’s definitely a different situation up here in the Rust Belt. Oops, I forgot to mention, of the few churches that preach the Gospel up here, a number of them are KJV 1611-only, which further limits my options.
January 30, 2017 at 10:23
Well, the KJV only thing tends to be quite common down this way as well. Most everybody has multiple translations, but it is still the most commonly preached from version. I don’t see too much if the extreme dogmatism about it, it’s mostly because ….it just is. I have run into a lot of that in the Blog World, though, folks ready to break fellowship over the issue.
January 30, 2017 at 10:35
Yup, I’ve even heard it preached that no one can genuinely be saved unless the Gospel verses they hear are from the KJV 1611.
January 30, 2017 at 12:03
I just saw such a thing yesterday, Tom. Crazy isn’t it?
January 30, 2017 at 12:36
Yes, they’ve taken it to a level none of the KJV translators ever intended.
January 30, 2017 at 12:40
There are SO many issues associated with the stance that one can only be saved by the English KJV that who could address them? Starting with the rather obvious one …if this were true…learning English would be a work necessary for salvation. Just sayin.
February 21, 2017 at 14:21
Good mornin Wally.
The magnificent treasure I’ve found in resting in the imputed sanctification & righteousness unto the believer is something that I’m still looking for in organized religion, (to find a group that embraces it).
I attend church, but I typically come to an impasse with the group when I encounter law & grace mixing, or progressive sanctification being pushed.
It seems, that everyone is okay with me as long as I accept what’s being taught, But when I hold to what I believe, then I find myself all alone in a sense.
I have been down the legalistic road before, and I don’t have any desire to ever go back.
I’d love to find a church that yells out unashamedly…”Believer, you’re a sanctified saint, who is the righteousness of God 24/7!”
Then having firmly established that…we can talk about behavioral issues.
Oh how I’d love to find a church like that!
Grace and peace to you brother.
February 21, 2017 at 14:45
I think we could have a discussion about this but before we do I want to understand how you are defining what you call “pregressive sanctification?”
I suspect we are on the same sheet of music but might be using different words
So help me understand what you mean by it
February 21, 2017 at 14:55
Good mornin Wally.
“Progressive sanctification” meaning increasing holiness.
Now I agree that we choose to sanctify our behavior from decision to decision that we make.
But we saints are fully sanctified, unwavering. Because we are in Christ.
Too often, religion pushes the idea that we vary in sanctification.
February 21, 2017 at 15:11
I suspect we are on the same sheet here, but using some words in a bit of a different way.
First, let me tell you why I asked what you meant. The last time I heard that phrase was from a person who believed in extreme license. In other words, they didn’t have to change a thing about themselves, because they were saved and heaven bound. To them, there were no expectations in the Christian life other than being saved, and they used that term.
So words. Allow me this, if I may, and I bet we are in line here.
I have been taught, and taught an expanded definition of what you are saying, in couple of ways. I’ll sort of roll them up together.
Justification. That moment when the righteousness, in full, of Jesus is imputed to us. At that moment we are saved from the penalty of our sin.
Sanctification. Literally to be set a part. Some might used terms like “increasing in holiness,” “Christian growth,””Maturing,” or “becoming more Christlike.” All those thing could be used and nobody is a heretic or false teacher. Clearly we are expected to not stay the same Christian we were at salvation. We are “being saved” from the effect and presence of sin in our lives.
Finally, glorification. That moment when we join Jesus and the Father for eternity, and are forever changed. At that time we will be saved…from the very presence of all sin.
Hope that helps clarify my thoughts!
February 21, 2017 at 14:51
You need to come to Palmyra BTW
I have this suspicion you might find what you are looking for with us
February 21, 2017 at 15:00
Hey that would be cool.
But what a drive from the Texas gulf coast. 😃
February 21, 2017 at 15:30
Where on the Gulf?
Houston is less than 10 hours
February 21, 2017 at 15:41
We’re in the Houston area Wally
February 21, 2017 at 15:43
You aren’t in Baytown are you? I have friends there, a preacher I love dearly in fact.
February 21, 2017 at 15:52
Baytown is on the east side of Houston.
We’re directly opposite of Houston to the west, in Katy.
February 21, 2017 at 15:53
February 21, 2017 at 15:54
Good mornin Wally.
Thank you for your time in replying to me.
I’m not sure which bible version you use, but I use the king James.
February 21, 2017 at 16:02
That’s what I take to church, and what we hear preaching from. I have many, and use all of them at different times.
February 21, 2017 at 16:12
I used to use all kinds of bible versions. Previously, the NASB was my “standard.”
But now I’m authorized King James only.
(I’m not putting down people who use other versions).
But (I’ve found), that the king James steers me right every time.
Have you ever watched Gail Riplinger’s YouTube video called “New age bible versions?”
Man that was the turning point for me to go to the King James.
If you haven’t seen it, you owe it to yourself to check it out. 😃
February 21, 2017 at 16:17
I have not, actually. I do love the KJV. Mostly when I quote on here I use in in fact.
Personally, I find the entire debate a useless endeavor, and don’t bother with it.Most of the folks(including me) getting in a rumble over it aren’t qualified to have the debate in the first place LOL.
February 21, 2017 at 16:28
Sure buddy, that’s cool. I wasn’t trying to hassle you about bible versions. It was just something interesting.
And I want to follow up on something you mentioned earlier about salvation & sanctification.
You mentioned a guy who took grace as a license to sin.
Personally, I haven’t met such a person as you described. If we’re really honest. We all sin constantly.
Do I believe that a person has to turn from sin (to any degree) to be saved?
But turning from sin is the normal outcome. That’s a process unique to each person.
But none of us turn from sin to the degree that we display to others.
We have sins of the mind churning all the time. And they’re just as sinful as behavioral sins.
So that’s my two cents.
And thank you for your kindness; I really appreciate you Wally. 😃
February 21, 2017 at 18:25
Like I said, I think we pretty much agree LOL. Must be because you are Texan. Ya’ll can’t talk LOL.
And I didn’t take it as a hassle on the Bible thing at all. It’s just not something I debate.
You have to work really hard to hassle me. When I first started blogging, I attracted the attention of some rabid atheist evangelists who made my life very interesting for a while. Now, they have pretty much bailed out and moved on.
February 21, 2017 at 18:33
Hey, I’m not only a Texan that can’t talk good, but I’m a hick as well. It’s fun being a hick.
A rabid atheist evangelist must be something to behold. A man on a mission with no cause.
And good mornin to you brother.
(that’s part of my hickness), I tell people “good mornin” around the clock. It just has a fun sound that makes me grin.
February 21, 2017 at 18:39
Well, maybe if you get lucky they will see you here talking and invade your place. They still lurk around watching. Seriously, though, there is a small group of them who actually attempt to get Christian bloggers.to quit blogging. They gave up that endeavor with me after about a year.
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