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December 23, 2016 at 12:05
A compelling thought to ponder on Wally. It makes perfect sense however. When someone is vague with myself, they often get put out of my mind for the task at hand. Peace be with you brother.
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December 23, 2016 at 12:40
We should should speak our specific needs and thoughts.
Even though He knows
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December 23, 2016 at 12:48
😀 Good one, Wally.
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December 23, 2016 at 14:39
Thanks Becky, and I hope you are well!
December 23, 2016 at 12:52
And vague prayers are a symptom of not knowing how a situation should be prayed for. God is willing to tell us, if we’re willing to listen.
December 23, 2016 at 14:37
I agree Brandon. I also agree with some who have said…sometimes we don’t know. I think you hit an important point. Communication.
I personally am a big fan of getting specific, and feel no shame in saying exactly what I desire. He, then, can mold my desires so that I learn to ask correctly.
December 23, 2016 at 13:17
I will swim against the stream on this one. The Holy Spirit helps us when we do not know what to pray, speaking for us with groans that words cannot express. At times, i do not know what to ask of God; the best prayer I can pray then is, “Thy will be done.” Often then I add, “and put my heart at peace with your will.” J.
December 23, 2016 at 14:33
Agreed, and I don’t think you are swimming against the stream at all. The stream runs more than one way. I do think God sometimes wants to hear exactly what is on our hearts and minds even though He already know. I also believe that some of what God plans we might not see until we talk to Him about it.
But, yes indeed…sometimes we cannot articulate our thoughts, so He wants those prayers as well.
Example. I noticed we always prayed…”save the lost.” Now, I do that still, but I also name names.
December 23, 2016 at 13:23
I don’t know, guys…I don’t see any scriptural support for the idea that God answers prayer “in kind”. We are encouraged to pray boldly, in full confidence that our prayers are heard and answered but the Apostle Paul insists that “Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words”.
Further, we never get the answer to prayer that we “deserve”. We deserve death and condemnation, but instead we are given forgiveness and new life.
December 23, 2016 at 14:30
Well, I can’t speak for anybody else, but I certainly don’t consider God to be some cosmic candy dispenser either. I suspect we are in alignment on that.
Nonetheless, I think part of the communication process is laying out specifically what is on our mind. That is how we come to know what His will is, so we even have the sense to ask for the thing we would has for if we had any sense.
I also think there is Biblical support for the idea that some blessings are contingent our our asking.
Merry Christmas to you are yours!
December 23, 2016 at 16:25
Huh, interesting! This is not a concept I am familiar with, sort of determining God’s will via prayer – would that be accurate?
A very Blessed Christmas to you all as well!
December 23, 2016 at 17:08
Yes! that is exactly it! I may have to explore it on paper some day, perhaps that would help me articulate it better.
After Christmas, though LOL.
December 23, 2016 at 18:58
I would love to hear your thoughts, when you have time to pull them together.
December 23, 2016 at 19:04
I made a draft with nothing in it, so I don’t forget. I will add it to the list of things I really, really want to write on.
That old pesky time thing huh?
December 24, 2016 at 08:01
I absolutely 100 percent agree. I know there is some disagreement with this, but I am one who believes in praying the Word not the problem. If the answer can be found in the Word (in its proper context of course) then that is God’s will because it is His Word.
If I’m in need of something, my prayer might be, “Father, I know that You are aware of a certain struggle that I’m facing which is [fill in the blank]. I thank you that, according to Your Word, you will meet my needs according to the riches in glory by Christ Jesus (Phil 4:19). I put my trust in You and do not presume to know how this need will be met. (Prov 3:5-6).
If someone is coming against me for no good reason. “Father, I thank You that no weapon formed against me will prosper and every tongue that rises against me in judgement shall be silenced. For this is the heritage of the servants of the Lord. (Isaiah 54:17) Now Lord, you promised me through Lord Jesus that I could walk in total peace and that I neither need to be troubled nor afraid. Therefore, I choose the promise of Your peace.” (John 14:27)
Prayer of protection for you or others: Pray Psalms 91…
Prayer for someone who is not walking with the Lord as they should: Ephesian 1:17-21…
“Father, I pray over so and so and ask that you give to you fill them with the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge in who You truly are. I pray and ask that the eyes of their understanding would be opened, that they would know the calling on their lives….”
There are times when I don’t have a clue what to pray. “Lord, I’m at a loss for words on how to pray for this situation. I ask for guidance from Your Holy Spirit on a direction to go. Nevertheless, my trust is in You and I have full confidence that You will show me the path.”
Then, there are times when we don’t really know what God’s will is…such as who to vote for for president or the direction of the Nation. “Father, I will follow my heart and simply pray, “Your will be done,” in this situation.
Sorry… I hijacked your post again… sigh…
December 24, 2016 at 08:54
Well, first Patrick, thanks for “hijacking” it. This post was designed to be hijacked actually. I don’t know if folks realize it, but sometimes I toss these thing out for this very reason. Let’s talk! I am encouraged that several with very different backgrounds are talking and so far no body has drawn their broadsword and begun lopping off heads. That’s a wonderful thing.
This is…complicated..and I am learning. The relationship between God’s will and absolute authority and His response to our petitions is pretty hard to get, and despite what we might say, nobody has it nailed.
You pointed out something so important. God’s Word as revealed is paramount. Praying outside of that is useless and rather stupid to get right to it.
You know, I have always seen nothing but..”if if be thy will..if it be thy will.” And it SHOULD be about His will absolutely. He is not bound to give us anything, as we have already been given far more than we deserve(hat off to Anita there.)
On the other hand…how many promises God has made to us go undelivered to us…because we failed to ask? Do we leave blessings on the table…because we never asked? I think we do.
This has been fun, and you come here and hijack anytime you want to my friend.
December 23, 2016 at 14:03
This is right on time! I was experiencing some vague prayers and something was snapping me awake to that. Today I am redirecting my prayers to more specific things and soaking up some scripture. Thank you for this one today! 🙂
December 23, 2016 at 14:27
Most welcome and thanks for commenting. I do that myself.
We ought to say it!
December 23, 2016 at 14:32
If I don’t know what to pray, I tell the Lord I don’t know what to pray and then I ask the Holy Spirit to pray whatever it is the Lord wants to hear for me. He does!
December 23, 2016 at 14:35
And, that is valid as well Sue. But, as I have said to others…I think we are taught sometimes God does want to hear the specifics of what is on our minds and in our hearts.
December 24, 2016 at 16:12
Good post. This encouarged me to be more specific with my prayer requests
December 24, 2016 at 16:14
What are your thoughts in general on this topic brother Jim? You are probably the most classically educated around these parts. Some good conversation has taken place. I know you are seriously busy, but if you ever get a few spare minutes I think folks would appreciate your thoughts.
December 24, 2016 at 16:16
Ah, let me scan others comments first…
December 24, 2016 at 16:19
No rush, I just think your opinion would be respected here a lot.
December 24, 2016 at 16:22
Man very good comments here among here of those with disagreeing view. Mind if after Christmas is over I write a post next week on praying specifics and praying generally? I think both sides makes good points and we must not be reductionistic to say either/or. I think generally its a heart issue and in all things we must have faith and trust in God when we pray, sometimes in some instance with some individuals praying more specifically is what we need to demonstrate our faith and other times we pray more generally not knowing what’s God’s Will or even what we are to do and we pray specifics but at the same time we pray according to what we know to be generally to be true or needed. I need to think through this more and Lord willing I remember next week to write up a post and perhaps get some feedbacks from the brethren such as yourself!
December 24, 2016 at 16:27
I think a post would be perfect! Thanks so much my friend.
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