December 15, 2016 at 12:49
I have Satan on speed dial. 😊
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December 15, 2016 at 14:36
Hi GC thanks as always
I do actually enjoy your visits
December 15, 2016 at 14:45
Always a pleasure Wally. 😊
As an aside, I would love to hear your opinion on a video I just made and posted on my blog about the Knightstown Christmas tree cross. I’m always curious to know what some Christians think about these issues.
If you don’t have time or it doesn’t interest you, I completely understand. Have a great day!
December 15, 2016 at 14:48
Actually I read it but haven’t watched the video yet. I will for sure
December 15, 2016 at 13:13
Wow, proof is just one of many in the above comment. Sad is an understatement.
December 15, 2016 at 13:37
Lord, please give me an equally loud voice for Your will!
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December 15, 2016 at 14:32
Now amen to that
December 16, 2016 at 10:12
Yes, I will join you in that!!
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December 17, 2016 at 07:40
December 15, 2016 at 16:03
Wally, a question, how would your views categorise the Jewish people considering their belief in the same God but do not believe in Jesus and in fact condemn Christian people for worship of an earthly being. Are they controlled by Satan and would they be saved with this belief considering Judaism existed before Jesus came to earth?
December 15, 2016 at 16:29
Let me ask you Steve
Since you believe none of this why do you care?
December 17, 2016 at 05:48
I find your answer disappointing but since you ask Wally, my impression of all religions is that they still are or were very much a part of the everyday life of us all, believers and non-believers alike.
Many non-believers have had at one time, and at some time in their life were forced into or had to tolerate events such as mass prayers, praying before eating, swearing on the Bible, creation and intelligent design delivered as science education, religious education, sent to Sunday school, dragged along to church on Sundays, organised church events, having to put up with religious songs and even sing them, pesky door knocking fanatics just when you are contemplating the day sitting on the toilet and street preachers, just to mention a few.
I feel to some degree religion owes me a few answers when you consider even today the era of political correctness and fair play the religions act and behave as they have some authority over those who just want to live in a different way or just normal without any gods to worship. As I have become older I understand more and dislike the fact that it is often forced upon us all and I can still not find any justification for religious intensity and it interests me as to why religions disagree with each other more resolutely than they do with atheists.
I have separated religious belief as an infliction upon the individuals. I do not judge and condemn theists for what they believe is real as they are not accountable for their acceptance of a doctrine that I disagree with and often find disturbing. Scientists do not yet fully understand the brain, the indoctrination or emotional cognitive processes enough to be able to understand why some people become victims of political and religious mind altering dogma or the inability of some people to consider any religion as logical and believable.
December 17, 2016 at 07:10
You are disappointed in my answer huh?
I am crushed LOL. What you are disappointed in is that I won’t play chase the rabbit, but asked you a very direct question, which you completely declined to address.
You get that, right, Steve? That conversation is not just you asking me an endless series of questions. That is not how it works.
Religion owes you answers? Really….I suppose you can take that up with God Himself and see if you an He reach some common ground.
Religion forcing it self on you? Really? Um..where are you? Yes, you have COME to an Christian blog. I have not chased you down to inflict myself on you. Which leads me to the conclusion that my mere existence speaking of what I believe is “forcing” myself on you. Would it help if I just shut down and quit talking? I suspect it would.
Ok…see. I asked you a question. You completely declined to answer, but AGAIN used this as nothing more to preach an atheist sermon. Surely you understand this conversation has nothing to do with the content of the post. Nothing…nothing.
In fact, your presence here proves beyond any shadow of a doubt the very content of this post. I do thank for that, as thus far you have been the most vocal of those seeking to distract, harass, and generally interfere with the message of Christ.
“I have separated religious belief an and affliction upon the individuals.”
Nice…you are so smart you can determine on behalf of another whether they are inflicted by what they belief. Good thing you are so smart LOL.
Go away, Steve. It’s hard to have a conversation with people who ignore the very content of a post, and then ignore questions as if they were never asked.
December 15, 2016 at 19:24
u make a right point
December 15, 2016 at 19:41
I wonder how long until his folks come piling on to tell me what they think
December 17, 2016 at 07:45
Lol…you sure attract a lot of fun commentators.
December 17, 2016 at 08:08
Fun huh? That’s very charitable of you my friend.
December 17, 2016 at 08:11
To be honest, I read your comments to them, but half the time I don’t bother to read their comments to you.
December 17, 2016 at 08:13
You are missing all of the fun!
December 17, 2016 at 16:53
Thank you for your response to my comment Wally. I will not pursue this issue any further because it appears that I have offended you with my original question. However, I do believe the question was relevant to the post regarding the people who are vocal about their non- belief in Jesus and I have answered your question as to why I care.
December 17, 2016 at 17:04
Offended? Hardly. Was your question relevant to the post? Well…no. Obviously I was not speaking of Jews here, and frankly we all know your question was just an attempt to get me to condemn them.
Further, your questions regarding God’s Word are so full of error and misunderstanding as to be useless questions anyway. I truly suggest you actually read and study the Bible…in depth…before trying to argue with Christians about it. Quite relying on what other people have said about the Bible.
The reason you get little response to most of your questions is that they are never relevant to the content, they are packed wall to wall with Stevology, and in some cases are completely misrepresentational of Christianity, and in some simply untrue.
You are always welcome here, Steve, as I believe you are drawn here for a reason; however, I am not going to chase absurdity around in circles all day and my patience for that is quite less than zero.
Peace to you
December 17, 2016 at 20:43
I think you seriously misunderstand me Wally. I am not trying to start a condemnation war between you and the Jews. I think you have just highlighted my underestimation of the intense rivalry between these faiths. I cannot imagine why two religions of love and peace cannot accept criticism.
You must bear with me because as you point out I am inexperienced in Biblical interpretation; however, I may be totally wrong but I have always been led to believe that worshiping God of the Old Testament and undertaking the Biblical morals is the perquisite for entry into heaven after death for anyone. Can you see that the way your post reads it suggests Jesus is the main character to acknowledge and worship and if you deny his existence you are under control of Satan.
I will not pressure you to answer any questions considering it is such a sensitive issue and if you had said this in the first place I would have understood your position. I think you jump to conclusions and I do not consider it absurdity to ask such questions.
December 17, 2016 at 21:05
“I may be totally wrong but I have always been led to believe that worshiping God of the Old Testament and undertaking the Biblical morals is the perquisite for entry into heaven after death for anyone”
No…Steve, it is not. If you have been taught such a thing you have been taught grave error. So, you have been interacting with Christian bloggers for how long now? And this is the first time you have been told that Jesus is the “main character?” of our faith? That may be why people like me get somewhat frustrated with you Steve. You have been reading here for two years, Steve. If, in that time, you never learned that Jesus is the center point of my faith, you have not listened a bit. I certainly teach that at every opportunity.
Now, on to part two of this. I never hinted that anybody is “under the control” of satan
. I never suggested such a thing. The truth is however, we are all children of God…or children of the Devil.
But, let’s get back to being in heaven someday. Steve, if you have been taught you have to DO something to earn God’s good favor? You have been taught wrong. Not only don’t we earn our way to heaven, we cannot earn our way.
Do you understand why that is, Steve? Because God’s standard, which He set, is perfection. Did you know that the Greek word from sin comes from and archery term to “miss the mark.” Sin is not necessarily “bad” things…merely not hitting the bulls eye of God’s perfection. Are you perfect? No. Am I perfect? Nope.
Therein lies the problem. We can never be perfect. Any imperfection is sin. “The wages of sin is death.” That’s what God says. Death. Eternal separation from Him.
But….God loves us. Despite us I might add. He. “loved us while we were yet sinners.” Great, right? Well, not totally. Despite His love for us, our sin cannot go unpunished. No parent would do that to a child would they? I love you therefore I won’t punish you? Stupid, right? Would a judge let you go from committing a crime just because he liked you? Of course not, that would be stupid.
Why, then, would the judge of the universe just “let us go” because He loves us? He won’t. Stupid.
So, we have a problem. We owe a penalty for our sin. Death. We can pay it for sure if we so choose. Not the best option.
We don’t have to. Jesus. Steve, do you actually understand who Jesus is? God incarnate. God made himself a human! Why?
Human because humans sinned, humans had to pay.
God because only an infinite and eternal God could pay the infinite price of the infinite sin among mankind.
Jesus paid the price for us, we just have to exercise faith in the totality of that payment by believing on Him for our salvation.
So…no…no “keeping of Bible morals” saves us. No amount of work, good deeds, kindness..or so on…saves us.
“By grace you are saved, through faith, and even that is not from ourselves. Not by works, other wise we would boast.” Paraphrased there, but that is the gist of it.
Not how well you know the Bible
“Can you see that the way your post reads it suggests Jesus is the main character to acknowledge and worship”
You are correct my friend. That is EXACTLY the point of the post. Bravo
December 18, 2016 at 05:39
Wally, thank you for your detailed explanations. I have provided my simple uneducated atheist view of the whole thing and you do not have to answer anything and it is not designed to cause conflict.
Wikipedia “The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. ‘triad’, from trinus, “threefold”) holds that God is three consubstantial persons or hypostases—the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit”
I understand Jesus said “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
I think if he had walked as Jesus Christ on the earth that claim would be logical for him to preach to the people, but as you know the story says he was sacrificed and 40 days later went up into heaven. I guess if he sat at the right hand of God as it is said the following comment appears to be contrary to the three consubstantial persons’ belief.
Jesus is also supposed to have said “You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.” If we worship God in spirit and in truth, we cannot worship anyone or anything else.
This is confusing but I expect there are many other Biblical passages on this subject but at least it provides jobs for apologetics.
I had obviously forgotten my childhood Sunday school education that there is strictly only the one indirect way to the Christian God through Jesus Christ and the original direct Judaism version for worshiping the same God (YHWH). I expect if you are born into the wrong camp you may go the same way as atheists.
December 18, 2016 at 06:20
My pleasure, Steve, come back anytime!
December 19, 2016 at 06:40
Thank you Wally, I surely will return and Merry Christmas to you your family and the visitors to your blog.
December 19, 2016 at 07:42
Thanks Steve you too
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