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November 24, 2016 at 12:03
None of us are worthy.
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November 24, 2016 at 12:34
Not until He makes us so
November 24, 2016 at 12:31
And few are willing…
November 24, 2016 at 12:32
Sadly so I am afraid
November 24, 2016 at 12:49
I was gonna ask this question anyways, but I see this is an even better opportunity to ask it since it’s already being discussed.
What if you aren’t willing? What happens then?
November 24, 2016 at 14:09
Happy Thanksgiving Ashley
November 24, 2016 at 14:10
I simply accepted the Truth of my unworthiness and then was able to recognize the Truth that Christ died to make me worthy. By believing this Truth as well I finally felt the peace that comes from resting in His grace, love and strength. Blessings – God is good ALL the time, rejoice in His Truth.
November 24, 2016 at 14:59
That’s your answer?
You lament people being “unwilling” to go to Jesus and then when I ask you what happens when they are unwilling, you suddenly clam up. Isn’t that a pretty important question that deserves an answer? Why are you so sad that people are unwilling to accept Jesus, yet you are unable to articulate why?
November 24, 2016 at 20:33
Only the Marines?
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November 24, 2016 at 21:20
Heh heh, actually I was a Marine, 71 – 75, Semper Fi. ☺
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. Matthewv7:14-15
This is the verse I had in mind when I said few were willing. What God asks of us, is to surrender our will to His, that’s why so few find it, for them, that cost is too high. They do not wish to relinquish control of their life to God. For me it’s more than worth it, it’s the only wise choice to make.
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November 25, 2016 at 18:41
Well, let’s give the Marines credit. They generally know when to take orders and who to take them from. Lots of people have trouble with that.
November 25, 2016 at 18:47
Ha…now that was awesome Tom!
November 24, 2016 at 12:43
~ Wally, praying you and yours have a blessed Thanksgiving ~
November 24, 2016 at 14:11
Deborah thanks and also you and yours
November 24, 2016 at 14:05
That is awesome news because Scripture points out that we are only made acceptable through Christ. Good reminder:)
November 24, 2016 at 14:08
It is awesome
How is your Thanksgiving ?
November 24, 2016 at 14:13
Awesome when I focus on Him more than I focus on my surroundings.
November 24, 2016 at 14:14
November 24, 2016 at 15:29
For a person that is not a Christian, to be unwilling is to be unwilling to be provided righteousness that would allow him, or her, to be in God’s presence. God provides it freely, but at a great cost to Himself. This means a person must bear the responsibilities of their own sins, in there own body, forever separated from God in a place prepared for rebellious angels, a place of horror and torment. It is no wonder that Scripture tells us to “flee the wrath to come”.
However for a Christian, to be unwilling is a tragedy, the carnal life has nothing that will last the judgement seat of Christ. That person robs themselves of God revealing Himself in a greater way, the Holy Spirit who in dwells us is so tender, we can hurt Him deeply. To be unwilling is a dishonor to God.
November 24, 2016 at 21:54
I take it to mean that’s a roundabout way of saying everyone who isn’t a question is going to hell? Hmmm, strange that a god so loving would condemn 10’s of billions of people to hell?
You do realize that 3/4 of the population of planet earth today are not Christian right? And that 100% of the humans that lived for the approximately 200 000 years before Jesus came along were not Christian.
What a sadistic god must he be to sentence so many people to eternal torment. I don’t think I’d call that “great” or “loving” but that’s just me. I can be contrary sometimes.
November 25, 2016 at 09:36
Actually, you are correct, Ashley, those who do not accept Christ as their Lord will end up in Hell, and ultimately the like of fire. As far as sadistic goes, that’s not one of His attributes. Quite the contrary, He has done everything He could to save mankind. He gave His own Son, that you might be saved, the cost, the death of His own Son and the torment He experienced as He suffered for your sins, and mine too. You are right also about the multitudes turning down His offer of forgiveness. And that is sad. Matthew 7:14-15 says; “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. The good news is everyone has the same access to the one who can save. It requires repentance and a turning to God who will save. He offers this to you freely Ashley, will you accept it?
November 24, 2016 at 17:43
Ashley: “What if you aren’t willing? What happens then?”
I think this is a very good and fair question.
All law-abiding individual know the tremendous importance of consent. How much more does God know and value our consent.
The ball is in your court Ashley. If you aren’t willing… what would you have Jesus do?
November 24, 2016 at 21:10
When Wally did not bite on Ashley’s question, I was kind of puzzled. Then I figured out he had tried to answer her questions, and she just didn’t want to accept Wally’s answers.
So it is. We can tell others of the Gospel, but only God can change hearts.
Accepting God as our Lord and Master is a scary proposition. Yet as you point out, He does not accept our service without our consent, and that is key. We make our choice. If we choose wrongly, then we make our own Hell (Romans 1:18-32). Eternal pain? Probably not, but with the second death we are most certainly eternally dead. Why would God put up with people who are too proud for their own good for all eternity? What would be the point?
There is a certain logic in accepting God as our Father — which is how He offers Himself — that is unavoidable. God is infinitely good and holy, intelligent and wise, truthful and just, gracious and merciful,…we are none of those things. In fact, we cannot survive on our own. When He would take us under His tutelage — when because He created us we owe Him our existence — what kind of foolish pride would deny Him? Why it is the pride of little man, of course. When we stride across our little mud ball, master of all we survey, we insist upon believing we can own the universe. As Carl Sagan would say: billions and billions of stars.
November 24, 2016 at 21:21
You are correct. Contrary to popular belief, my Lord does not require that I respond over and over to every single inquiry put before me. In fact, continued conversation can do great harm to the cause of Christ when another is not really seeking dialogue, but only an place to step up into their atheist pulpit and preach atheist evangelism.
Also, since I am not really a big fan of moderation or blocking, sometimes the only viable alternative is to simply not engage.
Having said, that, I always welcome what others might want to throw into the conversation.
I declining to do so should not hold anybody else back.
You nailed pretty well. My job is simply to deliver the message. It is not my job to convince anybody, nor do I try for the most part any more.
November 25, 2016 at 18:46
That I think is the comfortable attitude of a mature Christian. We make disciples of all the nations. We baptize new disciples in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. We teach new disciples to observe all things that He commanded. Yet it is Jesus through the Holy Spirit that wins His disciples.
November 25, 2016 at 18:48
Well, Tom…I am actually not that good at doing what I just said. Certainly preaching to myself. I have a real tendency to want to be “right.”
November 25, 2016 at 20:11
If you believe Jesus Christ is our Savior, then you are right! You have committed yourself to following Him.
Philippians 1:6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
Philippians 1:6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
So what is the problem? You have signed up for the course, and you are studying hard.
November 25, 2016 at 20:14
LOL..what’s the problem? Well, my natural tendency towards pugnaciousness keeps getting in my way!
As, you said though, it’s a work
November 24, 2016 at 22:01
Sorry buddy, not buying that bs. No body sends themselves to hell. That’s beyond absurd. God sends people to hell. If someone puts a gun to your head and says give me your money or I’ll kill you, and you refuse, you have not committed suicide. You’ve been murdered.
You are making the same incorrect use of the word choice as theancients is. It’s not a choice, it’s blackmail. It’s an ultimatum.
I accept no one as my Lord and Master. I don’t acknowledge anyone’s right to own me. I don’t acknowledge anyone’s right to assert their control over me. You guys want to be a slave, fill your boots. I just don’t think it’s a very noble desire.
November 25, 2016 at 21:06
Ultimatum? I suppose it is. God is God. He is our Creator. He created us for His Glory, and He gives us the choice of either loving Him or not.
If we love God, then we get to spend eternity with Him. Given how long eternity just happens to be, why are you surprised that God is picky about the company He keeps?
If we don’t love God, then we suffer the consequences described as the Second Death, permanent separation from God. What is that exactly? I don’t know. I don’t know exactly what heaven is either. Shrug. I just know heaven looks preferable to hell.
To see where you are coming from, I went and checked your blog. After reading your last 4-5 post, I thought this funny.
No body sends themselves to hell. That’s beyond absurd.
It is obvious that you think people quite capable of making stupid decisions. What not obvious is whether you realize everyone, including you, is quite capable of making stupid decisions.
God made the universe. He made everything. You don’t believe it? Well, I know of highly intelligent people who share that view, but I still think the evidence suggests quite strongly that Atheism rests squarely upon our capacity for stupidity. Philosophers have little trouble presenting a variety of proofs that God exists. Philosophers CANNOT prove God nonexistence.
So should we obey our Creator? Should children obey their parents? You don’t think parents give their children ultimatums? Do you actually expect God to offer us an eternity of joy without requiring good behavior as a condition, that we love Him enough to obey Him?
After the last presidential election, I wrote a post this issue. I borrowed a bit from the Bible, Ayn Rand, and Adam Smith. Please feel free to enjoy it => https://citizentom.com/2012/11/12/christianity-is-not-about-sacrificing-ones-values/
November 25, 2016 at 08:46
CT, You’ve made some great points here. I agree with you.
I actually understand and support Wally’s stance on disengaging. Sometimes I follow suit. I also realize Ashley’s desire to engage in a back-and-forth without trying to learn or gain anything.
When I feel like it, I will respond, for the benefit of the questioner but more so for the benefit of anyone else who might happen along who is genuinely seeking.
I can see from below (and I’m not even the slightest surprised) that Ashley has dismissed everything and continue in her misguided and deeply flawed “reasoning”. In trying to justify her rejection with unreasonable and illogical musings, I’m not even sure if she’s even convinced herself.
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November 25, 2016 at 08:56
Shakespeare said it well I suppose
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks”
November 25, 2016 at 09:02
November 25, 2016 at 21:07
I look forward to seeing what you have to say.
November 26, 2016 at 08:19
Acknowledges it’s an ultimatum….10 words later, calls it a “choice” again….and then goes on to describe the details of the ultimatum. Sigh. I give up.
“but I still think the evidence suggests quite strongly that Atheism rests squarely upon our capacity for stupidity.”
You think that because you are not capable of critical thought. Atheism doesn’t “rest” on anything. It is not a positive assertion. It is a rejection of a position. I don’t believe in god, I don’t believe he created the universe and I don’t believe the bible is his inerrant word. That’s all atheism is. It DOES NOT mean that I know for certain that there is no god. It DOES NOT mean that I know how the universe came to be. I don’t know if any god exists or not and I don’t believe it does. How did the universe come to be? I don’t know.
And you know what? NEITHER DO ANY OF YOU.
“Philosophers have little trouble presenting a variety of proofs that God exists.”
Philosophers have not proven the existence of any god – the only place that has happened, is inside your head. The best anyone could ever get to, is an inference and the best inference you could ever get to would be a generic, deistic god. There is no proof that exists that would show that the one specific god that you believe exists to the detriment of all the others.
“Philosophers CANNOT prove god nonexistence”
No one can prove the nonexistence of anything. If you want to talk about the capacity for stupidity, that would be a great statement to start with.
“If we don’t love God, then we suffer the consequences described as the Second Death, permanent separation from God. What is that exactly? I don’t know. I don’t know exactly what heaven is either. Shrug. I just know heaven looks preferable to hell.”
You don’t know what either of them looks like, but you know heaven is preferable to hell. Ummmm, ok.
“So should we obey our Creator? Should children obey their parents? You don’t think parents give their children ultimatums? Do you actually expect God to offer us an eternity of joy without requiring good behavior as a condition, that we love Him enough to obey Him?”
I think that is the perfect paragraph that describes the religious mind. We are to be treated as infants who dare not think for themselves, who’ll never get to grow up and whose only responsibility is to do as they are told for all of eternity.
November 26, 2016 at 09:27
We are all children. We still play with our childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.
1 Corinthians 13:11 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.
We all have childish things. What are mine? What are yours? Each of us need to discover them and put them away.
Consider. When a child confronts a problem, a child regards that problem as a personal affront. So a child applies energy to the problem. Thus, every mother and father has heard their baby cry in the dark. The child whines, complaining it is dark and demands that mommy or daddy make all the ills of bedtime alone go away. An adult child has a little more dignity. An adult child curses the darkness.
We are pitiful little creatures. Just as God made infants weak so the ignorant little people cannot get themselves into too much trouble, He made us relatively powerless so we do not destroy ourselves.
In time we will mature and see clearly what we now see only dimly. All we can do now is try to understand what God wants from us.
Is there a God? Yes. Is the Bible true? Yes, of course. Can I make you believe? No, and it is not my job. All I can do is give my reasons for the hope that is within me.
When will you believe? When you want to believe, you will believe. When you call upon our Savior, He will make it happen. But how and when? How would I know?
You have questions? I don’t have all the answers. None of us do, but we all have proof that God exists. What is true is that not all of us choose to accept the fact God exists.
You don’t like the choice God has given us? If you were God, you would have done it differently. So? Denial is not a solution. Vehement denial is just a way of uselessly applying energy to a problem, and it is a childish thing to do.
What happens when a more mature adult has to see in the dark? That adult turns on a light, comforts the weeping child, turns off the light, goes back to bed, and thanks God for the darkness and a time of rest.
November 26, 2016 at 10:27
“We are all children. We still play with our childish things.”
Speak for yourself sit. I am not a child. I am an adult capable of thinking for myself and making my own decisions. I don’t want anyone or anything else to make them for me, I don’t grant anyone or anything else the authority to make them for me, and I don’t recognize anyone or anything’s assertions to make them on my behalf.
“We are pitiful little creatures. Just as God made infants weak so the ignorant little people cannot get themselves into too much trouble, He made us relatively powerless so we do not destroy ourselves.”
I guess you’re not that well versed in history or current events are you? 1914-1918 WW1 10+ million people killed 1939-1945 WW2 – 20+ million people killed. 1945-1989 Cold war with the Soviet Union – came within 1mm of complete, total nuclear armageddon several times, notably the cuban missile crisis.
In time we will mature and see clearly what we now see only dimly. All we can do now is try to understand what Allah wants from us.
Is there Allah? Yes. Is the Qur’an true? Yes, of course. Can I make you believe? No, and it is not my job. All I can do is give my reasons for the hope that is within me.
When will you believe? When you want to believe, you will believe. When you call upon The Prophet Mohammed, He will make it happen. But how and when? How would I know?
You have questions? I don’t have all the answers. None of us do, but we all have proof that Allah exists. What is true is that not all of us choose to accept the fact Allah exists.
November 26, 2016 at 10:31
The common militant atheist argument is that ya’ll think for yourselves, and the fundie pinheads only rely on what they get fed.
Yet…..for the most part…..you all say….the same things!
November 26, 2016 at 14:36
Whether you are a child or not I will leave for our Maker to decide, but does seem you have some failings. Here is the comment you supposedly replied to: https://truthinpalmyra.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/just-a-thought-668/comment-page-1/#comment-31312
So you make all your own decisions. Really? I have never met anyone who chose their own sex, but some people are trying. I suppose some people will also start trying to choose their parents, the species they belong to, their intelligence, where they were born (planet too most likely), …. Ohhhh the possibilities of making all our own decisions! Where do they begin? Where do they stop? God only knows.
You say I am not well versed in history? Well, I do have much to learn. However, because I am growing old, at least as we number the years of our lives, I have lived a little history.
I grew up during the Cold War. Waiting for that nuclear Armageddon did get old. Why didn’t the missiles launch? MAD, ironically, is the official explanation.
Why do we have so much strife?
James 4:1-10 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
4 What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? 2 You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”? 6 But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you.
Will you find a message like that in the Koran? No. The Koran is just a poor imitation of the Bible. Mohammad was an ingenious bandit who made it into what I suppose he considered the big time.
What distinguishes Christianity is that it comes right out and says we cannot do anything to save ourselves. The Bible says Jesus has already done what needed to be done. We just have to accept the gift. That is what you call an ultimatum.
Each of the world’s religions is different, but all except for Christianity say you have to do something, and some don’t even offer what looks like salvation.
Islam says you have to do something. Islam is a political system with a religion. Therefore, Islam comes with endless rules.
Christianity is a relationship with Jesus. Does Christianity have rules? Yes. Love God with all you have got. Love your neighbor as you love yourself.
If we love God, then we will study the Bible and try to learn how to please Him. Nevertheless, Christianity is a religion that doesn’t lend itself to well to manipulation by government officials. Hence, because the United States was a Christian country, the people insisted upon a secular state and those First Amendment rights. That’s why you can you can say what you think without much fear of retaliation.
November 26, 2016 at 14:49
Think I got it…that was very technologically demanding for me Tom!
November 26, 2016 at 14:51
Good job! Thanks.
November 28, 2016 at 08:23
“Hence, because the United States was a Christian country, the people insisted upon a secular state and those First Amendment rights. That’s why you can you can say what you think without much fear of retaliation ”
No sir, the US is not a Christian country. I am from Canada and I know that much. The country was founded on secular principles. The complete separation of Church and state. There is not a single word that has anything to do with Christianity in the US constitution. I have no idea where on earth you summoned the courage to make that ignorant, ridiculous statement, but I suggest you learn about your own country’s history, lest you make any more unpardonable gaffes like that.
What distinguishes Islam is that it comes right out and says we must fight for Allah’s glory The Koran says Mohammed has received the final instructions from Allah in regards to his will. We just have to accept the do what the Koran says. That is the gift of Islam to us.
Islam is a relationship with Allah. Does Islam have rules? Yes. Love Allah with all you have got. Fight against the infidels for his greater glory.
If we love Allah, then we will study the Koran and the Hadiths and try to learn how to please Him.
November 28, 2016 at 22:26
November 24, 2016 at 21:46
You are incorrectly using the word consent. It implies that the person has a choice. If the “choice” is accept Jesus or go to hell, then it’s not a choice It’s an ultimatum. It’s blackmail.
It’s analogous to a robber holding someone at gunpoint and saying “give me your money or die” and then trying to imply that the person is given any “choice” at all other than to comply.
Consent: permission for something to happen or agreement to do something. I don’t give permission for Jesus to do anything to me.
What would I have Jesus do? Say “ok” and then walk away? How about that? Why can’t he just leave me alone and then go about his business? What need for the eternal torture?
November 25, 2016 at 09:01
Ashley, you always have a choice. Your very question denoted a choice. You said “What if you aren’t unwilling?“
The choice is not accept Jesus or go to hell. You’ve been greatly misinformed. You have failed to realize that right now, in this moment you are already dead. Spiritually dead, eternally separated from God.
So the choice is: accept Jesus and received everlasting life (having the Spirit of God live on the inside of you; being reconciled back to God, being in communion with Him); or continue in everlasting death, forever separated from the God of the universe.
Your response and behavior is that of a very naïve child who doesn’t have the least bit of idea of what is good for them.
This is illustrated by the very fact that you think God is the one wanting something from you…when in fact He’s the one offering something to you.
There is nothing that you can give to God that He doesn’t already have. Wake up!
He’s offering you something that you desperately need, but your foolish pride has blinded you.
November 25, 2016 at 10:00
Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. ”
Revelation 21:8 “But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
John 3:36 “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
Those are a small sample of the numerous verses
“The choice is not accept Jesus or go to hell. You’ve been greatly misinformed”
I beg to differ sir. No I have not been “misinformed”. I, unlike you, have actually read my bible. You don’t know what you are talking about. Go read your bible.
And I will admonish you AGAIN to stop using the word choice. Know what is good for you and accept God and Jesus or “continue in everlasting death” in not a choice. God doesn’t “want” something from me and he is not “offering” it to me. He is DEMANDING that I take it or else suffer the consequences.
This is not a choice, it is blackmail. It is an ultimatum.
GET IT RIGHT.
You’re the one not committed to learning. You keep referring to ultimatums as choices and you keep saying things that blatantly contradict the bible (i.e. Hell for example)
November 25, 2016 at 10:11
In that comment you referred to? The doctrine of Hell was NEVER denied. Again, you are missing the point. We are born separated from God. God has offered us the chance to repair that separation through the atoning work of His Son.
Call it what ever you want. Ultimatum Blackmail. You pick.
Here is the issue, and it is very simple. This is a tough word, but a true word.
It frankly doesn’t matter whether you LIKE the choice you have, or whether you think it is fair…or whatever. You suffer from on critical lack. That lack is that you are not God.
You don’t sit in judgment of God….He sits in judgment of you.
So call it whatever you want. You still have the option to choose.
Now, as far as your constant admonishment to other commenters that they quit using certain words?
Well, for Pete’s sake, it is easy to prevail in any discussion when you define all of the terms for discussion.
The real issue here has been clearly stated by you yourself.
You find the very idea of submitting to anyone, and anytime….abhorrent. That’s YOUR issue, not God’s
But, there is in fact, nothing new under the sun
November 25, 2016 at 14:43
I am glad you read your Bible Ashley, it’s a real treasure. Seems as though you’re hung up on the concept of choice. Perhaps you remember the story of the rich man and Lazarus, when the rich man found no escape he said this.
“And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house— for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ ”
Notice his choice of words, lest they also “come”. Come: an act of volition on the part of the participant. Had they been “sent” there, it would be involuntarily. The Bible very clearly places the responsibility on the individual.
November 25, 2016 at 12:01
“We are born separated from God.” Why would the omnipotent, omnibenevolent creator of the universe do something so stupid? He purposely creates you separated from him and then demands, under threat of eternal torment (blackmail) that you come to him. These are the actions of a psychotic lunatic.
It’s about precision Wally. Calling something by it’s proper name – blackmail and not “choice” is important. Because if you don’t, you end up with chaos.
“Was it murder? No, no you see, he committed suicide. The robber demanded his money and he said “no”, so clearly he “chose” to be killed.
See how stupid that sounds? Now you can substitute God for robber and any other issue you like instead of robbery, it doesn’t make it any less ridiculous. A “choice” that incurs dire consequences if the “correct” “choice” is not made, is not a “choice”. It’s blackmail. It’s an ultimatum.
GET IT RIGHT.
“You find the very idea of submitting to anyone, and anytime….abhorrent. That’s YOUR issue, not God’s”
I think I made it quite clear that it was only ever my issue. Of course it’s my issue. How could it be anyone else’s issue other than mine since I don’t believe in god? What a stupid thing to say.
I would think that anyone with even the slightest capacity for critical thought, would be quite hostile to the idea of having their free-will and autonomy negated in order to be a slave and a play thing, subject to the capricious whims of a psychotic lunatic. But then again, that’s just me being a contrarian I guess.
Enjoy your Christianity.
November 25, 2016 at 12:11
I will ty very much
November 25, 2016 at 15:26
Actually Ashley, God is perfect, He doesn’t do stupid things. Whether you believe it or not, He cares for you deeply. In fact He tells us in His Word that “He is not willing that any should perish, but that all might come to repentance. Yes, that “come” word again, denoting choice on the part of the individual. When God created man, he had fellowship, unbroken, with man. It was a result of sin that separated us from God. It’s been passed down in our genes ever since. It was man that sinned. But it was God who provided a way back to Himself. The Bible tells us;
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.
The one man who disobeyed was Adam. The obedient one is the Lord Jesus Christ, He was obedient to death on the cross because He loved you, whether you believe it or not He loves you and died for you. Now you can hate Him if you wish, and even try to convince yourself via debate that you are correct. He still loves you and hopes you repent. He longs to fulfill broken hopes, mend broken lives. He truly cares. You can come to Him in repentance and He will receive you.
November 26, 2016 at 08:26
Actually ambassadorslog, Allah is perfect, He doesn’t do stupid things. Whether you believe it or not, He cares for you deeply. In fact He tells us in His Word that “He is not willing that any should perish, but that all might come to repentance. Yes, that “come” word again, denoting choice on the part of the individual. When Allah created man, he had fellowship, unbroken, with man. It was a result of sin that separated us from Allah. It’s been passed down in our genes ever since. It was man that sinned. But it was Allah who provided a way back to Himself. The Qur’an tells us;
O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.
The obedient one is The Prophet Mohammed. He was the messenger because he loved you Whether you believe it or not He loves you and died for you. Now you can hate Him if you wish, and even try to convince yourself via debate that you are correct. He still loves you and hopes you repent. He longs to fulfill broken hopes, mend broken lives. He truly cares. You can come to Him in repentance and He will receive you.
November 26, 2016 at 09:11
You might do some checking on that quotation. I fear you have embellished what the Koran actually says with your own words.
That whole part about Mohhamed dying for us…and fulfilling broken hopes…and lives…think you missed something there.
Perhaps the actual verses would help
O you who believe, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is best and more suitable to (achieve) the end.
4:60 Hast thou not seen those who assert that they believe in that which has been revealed to thee and that which was revealed before thee? They desire to seek the judgment of the devil, though they have been commanded to deny him. And the devil desires to lead them far astray.
4:61 And when it is said to them, Come to that which Allah has revealed and to the Messenger, thou seest the hypocrites turning away from thee with aversion.
4:62 But how is it that when a misfortune befalls them on account of that which their hands have sent before, they come to thee swearing by Allah: We desired naught but good and concord?
4:63 These are they, the secrets of whose hearts Allah knows; so turn aside from them and admonish them and speak to them effective words concerning themselves.
4:64 And We sent no messenger but that he should be obeyed by Allah’s command. And had they, when they wronged themselves, come to thee and asked forgiveness of Allah, and the Messenger had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
4:65 But no, by thy Lord! they believe not until they make thee a judge of what is in dispute between them, then find not any straitness in their hearts as to that which thou decidest and submit with full submission.
4:66 And if We had enjoined them, Lay down your lives or go forth from your homes, they would not have done it except a few of them. And if they had done what they are exhorted to do, it would certainly have been better for them and more strengthening:
4:67 And then We would certainly have given them from Ourselves a great reward,
4:68 And We would certainly have guided them in the right path.
4:69 And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, they are with those upon whom Allah has bestowed favours from among the prophets and the truthful and the faithful and the righteous, and a goodly company are they!
4:70 Such is the grace from Allah, and Allah is sufficient as Knower.
4:71 O you who believe, take your precautions, then go forth in detachments or go forth in a body.
4:72 And among you is he who would hang back. Then if a misfortune befalls you he says: Allah indeed bestowed a favour on me as I was not present with them.
4:73 And if bounty from Allah comes to you, he would cry, as if there were no friendship between you and him: Would that I had been with them, then I should have achieved a mighty success!
4:74 So let those fight in the way of Allah who sell this world’s life for the Hereafter. And whoever fights in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
4:75 And what reason have you not to fight in the way of Allah, and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, who say: Our Lord, take us out of this town, whose people are oppressors, and grant us from Thee a friend, and grant us from Thee a helper!
4:76 Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the devil. So fight against the friends of the devil; surely the struggle of the devil is ever weak.
4:77 Hast thou not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. But when fighting is prescribed for them, lo! a party of them fear men as they ought to fear Allah, or with a greater fear, and say: Our Lord, why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? Wouldst Thou not grant us respite to a near term? Say: The enjoyment of this world is short, and the Hereafter is better for him who keeps his duty. And you shall not be wronged a whit.
Odd..can’t seem to find that whole Mohammed dying for us or healing brokeness anywhere
So, either you don’t read very well, or….make stuff up?
Adult much Ashley?
November 26, 2016 at 10:13
Mohammed is the one true messenger of Allah. He didn’t have to die for us or heal anything because Allah didn’t design it that way. Islam is the correct and final revelation of Allah’s true word to all people on earth. Everyone knows that.
November 26, 2016 at 10:20
Again, you miss the point.
You quoted the Koran. It doesn’t say what you said.
I only suggest if you are going to claim constant intellectual superiority that you actually quote things correctly.
So, clearly we have established that the entire comment you made had no basis in any actual source, but merely the rebellious flailings of your own opinions
Perphaps you would like to address your clear failure to properly quote the resource you used.
That way, we don’t all think you are just making things up…ya know.
November 26, 2016 at 10:17
“…The Bible very clearly places the responsibility on the individual….”….Through blackmail and bribery. Do this and be rewarded, don’t do that and be punished. You can call this a choice all you like, but it’s not. It’s blackmail. It’s an ultimatum.
November 26, 2016 at 10:24
Hey again Ashley.
Not to belabor a point, but really nothing you say has any credibility as you seem to not reference sources accurately.
Or, you only accept statements if they meet your criteria of what is proper wording, or proper definition.
That’s an odd stance given your blatant mishandling of your resource material.
Ultimatum. Sure, call it that. No prob. It still stands, whether you like it or not. Your endless assaults an impotent fist shaking won’t change it, either.
In fact, you can harangue me an other commenters until we roll over and give up….nice. Just might mean we would go away and quite telling you about it. Still doesn’t change things.
God is God
You are Ashley.
November 28, 2016 at 08:27
Hey again Wally.
Not to belabor a point, but really nothing you say has any credibility as you seem to not to understand basic English.
That’s an odd stance given your blog title being purportedly interest in “The Truth”.
Choice. Sure, call it that. No prob. It still stands, whether you like it or not. Your endless assaults and impotent fist shaking won’t change it, either.
In fact, you can harangue me until I roll over and give up….nice. Just might mean I would go away and quit telling you about it. Still doesn’t change things.
Allah is Allah
You are Wally.
November 25, 2016 at 13:03
Ashley, calm down. You’re over reacting (bad acting really) weirdly to things you clearly do not understand.
It’s basic biology really.
We’re all Adam’s seed (i.e. all humanity existed in Adam’s seed before they were born into this earth).
Adam was not created separated from God. As someone who has read scriptures (according to you) you should know that. That’s elementary.
Once Adam allowed himself to be deceived, and died spiritually (eternally separated from God), then basic biology dictates that every being born of Adam will automatically be born ‘spiritually dead’/separated from God – they no longer had the Spirit of God within them.
Your understanding of Scripture is laughable, more so because it’s coming from someone who boasts of reading and understanding the Bible. Clearly you jest!
Tell me, how do you kill someone who is already dead?
The Matthew 25 verse that you quoted clearly states that eternal fire was prepared for the devil and his angels… and you have the nerve to refer to the God of the universe as .
Isn’t it a stupid person who allows themselves to be deceived into going to a place that was never prepared for them in the first place!?
Ashley: “I would think that anyone with even the slightest capacity for critical thought, would be quite hostile to the idea of having their free-will and autonomy negated in order to be a slave…”
What precisely is your argument Ashley? You have free will, but you’re angry at the choices you have to make.
At least you’ve acknowledged that you have free will.
Here’s an adult thought – sometimes in life critical thinking leads one to make very mature and crucial decisions such as knowing when His will is better than your will for yourself.
You see, it was all about the devils will: he (the devil, said to himself) I will ascend to heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of the assembly..; I will ascend above the heights of the cloud; I will make myself like the Most High
Just wow! Do you see how many I wills… it’s all about his (the devil’s will).
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in the Garden (another garden- very important) says: If You are willing remove this cup. YET, not My will.. BUT YOUR WILL BE DONE
My friend, there’s great and abundant wisdom in that line above. It behooves you to study the life of Jesus and what it means for your life.
Trust me, the will of God will always be infinitely better than your will for your life. He’s that GOOD!
All the best to you.
November 25, 2016 at 14:31
“Ashley, calm down. You’re over reacting (bad acting really) weirdly to things you clearly do not understand.
It’s basic biology really.
We’re all Adam’s seed”
AH HA HA HA HA HA HA
Only someone who is utterly CLUELESS about biology would make an astoundingly ignorant statement like that. Your cheeks should be glowing red from embarrassment for having said something so ridiculously stupid. Genetic data show no evidence of any human bottleneck as small as two people (Adam and Eve): there are simply too many different kinds of genes around for that to be true. No, we are not all Adam’s seed. That’s is not physically, biologically possible. I know it says it in your precious bible, and you believe it, but that doesn’t’ make it true. this is not basic biology. This is theology. Learn the difference.
Even if I were to grant you all the nonsensical gobedly-gook you wrote, that still doesn’t change the fact that all humans born today, are born separate from god and then are given an ultimatum to come back to him, lest they suffer some grave punishment (hell, eternal spiritual death, whatever term you can dream up next). You can spin your story any way you like, those are STILL the actions of a psychotic lunatic. If he’s the omnipotent, omnibenevolent creator of the universe, surely he must be able to accomplish this task without having to resort to blackmail and ultimatums. So now you have a choice to make. Either he is a sadistic prick, or he’s a moron or both.
“What precisely is your argument Ashley? You have free will, but you’re angry at the choices you have to make.
At least you’ve acknowledged that you have free will.”
No that is not my argument. You have some severe reading comprehension deficiencies. Since you insist on not understanding, I am going to keep beating that dead horse until it finds its way through that thick skull of yours
The scenario that you present – obey god or be spiritually dead for eternity – is NOT a choice. It’s blackmail. It is an ultimatum. It NEGATES free will and autonomy. I did not say that we have free will and that I am “angry at the choices I have to make”. I quite clearly stated that in such a scenario, the concept of free will is void. Learn how to read and comprehend please.
“Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in the Garden (another garden- very important) says: If You are willing remove this cup. YET, not My will.. BUT YOUR WILL BE DONE
My friend, there’s great and abundant wisdom in that line above. It behooves you to study the life of Jesus and what it means for your life.”
No there is not “great wisdom” in the line above. It is a direct threat of an all powerful bully made to his helpless. powerless slave who has no choice but to obey him. That statement couldn’t be any further from “wisdom” if you tried.
November 25, 2016 at 15:23
How odd… according to you and the pseudo-science you subscribe to, it’s impossible for all human beings to descend from 2 people… yet we are to believe that all life (including human life) descends from 1 cell/organism – what happens to the “there are simply too many kinds of genes for this to be true,” thinking.
Re: your 3rd paragraph.
Learn to speak like a lady, a civilized and educated human being. It’s disgusting some of the things you choose to write. It screams extreme ignorance, and bitterness and total disregard for those you’re choosing to communicate with.
If, before a person died at the hospital they were asked beforehand: ‘resuscitate’ or ‘do not resuscitate’… their condition at the end will be a direct result of the choices given and the one taken by them.
You can choose to enter eternity spiritually dead/separated from God; or you can choose to enter with His Holy Spirit indwelling you. I’m not sure why you seem to be having such an issue with your choices. As above, you can only choose to resuscitate or not to.
Free will cannot be void when you have two choices!
Whichever way you put it, you’re a slave to something. You’re either a slave to righteousness or you’re a slave to rebellion. It’s that simple!
November 26, 2016 at 08:41
“How odd… according to you and the pseudo-science you subscribe to, it’s impossible for all human beings to descend from 2 people… yet we are to believe that all life (including human life) descends from 1 cell/organism – what happens to the “there are simply too many kinds of genes for this to be true,” thinking.”
You don’t have to believe it, it’s what happened. Evolution has been able to trace the tree of life down to single celled organisms. It however, has not been able to determine the origin of life. That is a mystery that has yet you be solved.
Of this much I am absolutely certain. That question will not be solved by the likes of you and Wally. What likely will happen, when/if it is discovered, is that people like you will try to take credit for it by claiming we knew the answer all along.
“Free will cannot be void when you have two choices!”
Clearly the concept of free will is much too difficult for you to grasp. If Free Will in your mind is “choose A or choose B” then it quite clearly demonstrates the dichotomy of your thinking process. What if I wanted nothing to do with god at all and I didn’t want to go to heaven or hell? I wonder if that thought ever crossed your mind? It would appear that the thought of a 3rd option is just too much for you to contemplate. Now go ahead and tell me god is calling the shots and I don’t have any choice but to accept one or the other and prove my point about not having free will.
November 25, 2016 at 14:39
“Here’s an adult thought – sometimes in life critical thinking leads one to make very mature and crucial decisions such as knowing when His will is better than your will for yourself.”
That’s not critical thinking, that’s acknowledging that you are a slave and that you need someone else to make your decisions and do your thinking for you. It’s the exact opposite of critical thinking.
I suspect the irony is lost on someone such as you, who says that critical thinking is allowing someone else to think they know what’s better for you than yourself. This is something that comes from the brain of an enslaved, mindless human being.
November 25, 2016 at 15:29
I just had the chance to read this full comment. I will let it stand. It’s no reflection on me or anybody on here if you choose to act like a fool.
Let me just add. You totally destroy your credibility in claiming you seek intelligent discourse when you talk like that.
The only weight your entire argument carries in repetition, upper case letters, insults, and now profanity.
How about you prove your claim that you are seeking to actually talk….and talk.
If that is where this is going, then this conversation will be done.
@ everybody else. If the response to this comment to Ashley is in kind as to the one I am responding to, then the conversation is done. Thanks.
November 25, 2016 at 17:31
You it is a leap, I admit it, a leap of faith, but it’s who I have faith in that makes all the difference. ☺ I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him, against that day. I know Him and I’m glad I do.
November 28, 2016 at 08:42
Your entire blog is an affront to intelligent discourse. You seek the truth? Who are you trying to kid? In the history of humankind, there have been literally thousands of gods and religions. And YOU – Wally from Arkansas – has the mystery of the entire universe all figured out because he knows exactly which god is the right one and which way is the one exact way to worship him properly. YOU – Wally from Arkansas – awash with ignorance and curiosity walked into a Christian Church in Arkansas one day and BAM – all of life’s mysteries explained! You know what you’re supposed to do, what you’re not supposed to do, what happens after you die, who made the universe… Hallelujah! How informed and knowledgeable must you be! I guess I’m just not quite there yet.
Are you familiar with the words irony or arrogance by any chance Wally?
December 19, 2016 at 13:29
Amen and Thank You Lord!!!
December 19, 2016 at 14:30
Amen and thanks for coming by Debbie
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