christian quotes, quotes
October 1, 2016 at 14:46
I know Michael—or I did at one point in my life. When I was in college, Dr.Youssef was a part of the clergy at the Cathedral of St Philip in Atlanta…the church I grew up in. On those weekends and times that I was home from college, I always hoped “Father” Youssef, as I knew him, was to deliver the sermon because he was so very good.
When he eventually left the Cathedral, he founded the Church of the Apostles—an Evangelical Independent Anglican Church—I still love it when I catch him on either the radio or the Catholic channel who will carry his sermons….
October 1, 2016 at 14:50
I really like him a lot, and try to watch him on tv when I an. I do record him every Sunday but don’t always get around to watching. I have some of his commentaries, too.
The catholic channel carries him? That’s odd honestly. Heck, the Baptist channel might carry him the way he talks.
I am about the only person I know who likes him. People seem mildly disturbed that he is Egyptian….go figure.
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October 1, 2016 at 15:26
Because he is Egyptian has allowed him a better insight to what life as a Christian in the Middle East is truly all about—not easy that’s for certain!
October 1, 2016 at 15:36
I think you are probably right in that.
October 1, 2016 at 15:43
and lest we forget, Jesus was also Middle Eastern…Aramaic…
October 1, 2016 at 15:44
Yeah…that’s a whole other possible topic lol. People do forget that, don’t they? Hmm
October 1, 2016 at 16:02
very much so—I wrote a post a couple of years ago about Christian art and how over the years, as beautiful as it is and I love Renaissance Art, the images of Jesus is very much that of a northern European…
skews our visual image to be sure…
October 1, 2016 at 16:10
Send me that link Julie I’d love to read it
October 1, 2016 at 16:16
I think this is it—I wrote about Icons…
if I find another one, I’ll send it on. There is a video I had included but it’s use expired..it was from the Getty Trust…
October 1, 2016 at 15:07
Amen, that is a great quote.
October 1, 2016 at 15:39
Have you ever watched him, IB? I really like him.
October 1, 2016 at 21:53
I’ve heard of him but never have seen him. He sounds like a really interesting minister
October 2, 2016 at 04:28
I like him. Hardly ever watch anymore though.
October 1, 2016 at 16:24
Reblogged this on Talmidimblogging.
October 1, 2016 at 18:09
Thanks brother Vincent
October 1, 2016 at 18:14
You’re very welcome Brother Wally 😎
October 2, 2016 at 02:49
October 9, 2016 at 03:15
Such a profound observation. I like Michael Youssef, as well. He is always biblical.
October 9, 2016 at 06:40
Oh, I do too, Anna. I watch him pretty often off of my DVR! Thanks for coming by.
October 9, 2016 at 06:57
It’s pouring here. We’re just now getting the last of Matthew’s rainfall. I may end up w/ lakefront property. Stopping by your blog — which I enjoy in any weather — didn’t even require galoshes (LOL).
October 9, 2016 at 07:01
Ah, thanks for that Anna, that was very nice. I hope to be writing again soon, been taking a break from it lately.
Lake front property is great…if that is what you actually purchased. It’s not so great if you didn’t!
October 20, 2016 at 12:36
Mmmm, I am afraid I will wholeheartedly disagree Wally. I don’t think the desire to be a slave or even a serf is a very noble one. Quite the opposite in fact.
October 20, 2016 at 12:56
Of course you disagree lol
Have an awesome day
October 20, 2016 at 14:50
You prefer slavery over freedom? That’s fine I guess – whatever floats your boat. I just don’t quite understand the desire to be a slave. Seems like a horrible way to want to live one’s life. I’ll take freedom over that any day of the week.
October 20, 2016 at 15:00
I’m as free as I can be Ashley, I am captive to no one. I suspect efforts to explain would fall on deaf ears, though, and arguing over it is probably quite useless.
Feel free to pop in and read anytime, and perhaps you will come to understand.
October 21, 2016 at 00:54
That’s not possible Wally. You cannot simultaneously be “free as you can be” while submitting to the willing of another being.
The very act of submitting to the will of an external authority (divine or otherwise) negates your own autonomy by definition. You are either free to do as you please or you are bound by the will of another authority that you have submitted to. It is impossible to be both simultaneously. You can’t have your cake and eat it too Wally.
October 21, 2016 at 04:26
Technically you are correct of course, and of course as I am sure you know I was not referring to freedom in only that sense.
But, back to you for a second if we can. You, and many others, often make the case that being a Christian by default, make folks like me obviously dysfunctional people. Are you saying that you never submit to any authority, and the you maintain your complete autonomy to do as you wish, when you wish, and whatever you wish at all times? I would probably say that if you never submit to any authority at any time, that that might cause some issues with being a functioning member of the society around you?
So, what authority do you submit to, if any Ashley? I am curious.
October 21, 2016 at 08:01
“You, and many others, often make the case that being a Christian by default, make folks like me obviously dysfunctional people”
I’m not entirely sure that I’ve ever tried to make the case that by being Christian by default makes you necessarily dysfunctional. It does require you to make great use of cognitive dissonance and rigorous mental gymnastics in order to have your worldview comport with reality. That’s why I often see you outright refuse to address any questions or statements that point out any discrepancies and contradictions between the two.
Am I saying that I never submit to authority? No, I am not saying that. That would be a ridiculous thing to say. There are times when we all have to submit to authorities for various reasons (at work, law enforcement, airport security, etc). Do I like it? No. Do I wish for it to happen more often? No. Would I want my boss to be standing over my shoulder or have a camera installed in my office so that my every spoken word and deed could be observed? Absolutely not. So you can imagine my surprise and my alarm when I see someone proclaim that they revel and indeed find joy and comfort in the idea of submitting themselves to an absolute authority. An absolute authority who’s will can never be challenged, who subjects you to ’round-the-clock surveillance, who can observe and judge every single word, deed and thought for every single millisecond of your entire life and subject you to reward or punishment upon your death. How anyone could take joy and comfort in believing this to be true is beyond me.
October 21, 2016 at 08:30
” An absolute authority who’s will can never be challenged, who subjects you to ’round-the-clock surveillance, who can observe and judge every single word, deed and thought for every single millisecond of your entire life and subject you to reward or punishment upon your death. How anyone could take joy and comfort in believing this to be true is beyond me.”
Ashley I don’t spend my life worrying about what happens when I die. That issue is settled by my faith in Jesus Christ and that is EXACTLY the reason I take joy and comfort in believing this.
If I lived in daily fear that my daily performance was being evaluated adn would be judged upon my death, it would surely be lousy .
October 21, 2016 at 11:12
“If I lived in daily fear that my daily performance was being evaluated and would be judged upon my death, it would surely be lousy .”
Now I am even more confused than I ever was. I was under the impression that you are a Christian. Are you saying you don’t accept the Christian concepts of sin, heaven and hell? That would be quite the revelation indeed. Those are some of the foundational elements of Christianity. You just finished telling me that you “have faith in Jesus Christ”. I am amazed that you can tell me that you don’t spend your life worrying about what happens after you die and that you don’t live your life in daily fear of judgment while simultaneously proclaiming to be a Christian and having faith in a savior who died to absolve mankind of original sin. Sins – words spoken and deeds undertaken that contravened God’s will and for which a judgment, which cannot be appealed or overturned, has been issued against all mankind.
This is what I was referring to earlier when I mentioned cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics.
October 21, 2016 at 11:37
This is simple and I suffer from nothing
I absolutely believe in sin heaven and hell
You however don’t understand what being a Christian means
My saviour did die for my sins and that is exactly why I don’t have to worry about judgement after I die
Now if that topic interests you I will gladly discuss it as you have been mislead about what being a Christian means eternally
October 21, 2016 at 12:51
Ok. So you believe in heaven and hell but since Jesus died for your sins, you know you’re going to heaven so you don’t have to worry about it anymore? There’s absolutely nothing you can do, between now and the time that you die that would commit you to hell? Is that what you’re telling me?
Seems to negate the need for a hell wouldn’t you say? Or is hell strictly for other people? Like me perhaps? How does one get sent to hell if you don’t mind me asking?
October 21, 2016 at 12:59
Those are some valid questions and I thank you for them.
They also require a lot more than can be addressed in a simple comment.
I have written a very in depth study that I think addresses everything you have asked
If I sent the links would you be willing to read them?
October 21, 2016 at 13:21
Please do. The weekend is fast approaching and I will have time to read them.
October 21, 2016 at 13:38
Cool will do
Have to wait until I fire up the laptop. Doing it on the phone will push me over the edge
October 21, 2016 at 14:08
Here you go Ashley, and again I appreciate your questions. Just a couple of notes, and links follow. I do base my writing on this in a couple of presuppositions, so please understand that is my perspective. One, God is God and gets to have it His way. Two, the Bible as written is what He wants us to understand in this matter. Thanks and enjoy!
In order is best for full understanding by the way.
October 23, 2016 at 06:30
The recurring theme in your posts is that you have to believe in (your) God and accept Jesus as your saviour in order to avoid going to hell.
So my original question still stands. I’m a non believer Wally. Is hell for someone like me? What, if anything, can I do to avoid going there?
October 23, 2016 at 06:45
I am pretty sure this was quite clearly covered in the 5 posts you hopefully read.
What do you mean by “someone like me?”
I could point that finger at myself and say “someone like me”
What I mean there is….I am not special. I don’t believe, and have never even hinted that I am somehow more special than any other person. Any Christian who does that is sorely mistaken.
We are all sinners. What does that mean? Simply it literally means translated from the Greek, to miss the mark. It’s an archery term, actually. We miss the bulls eye. Who sets that standard? Well, God or course.
What is the penalty for that? Spiritual death, separation from Him forever.
How do we escape that? Faith, and belief in the atoning work of Jesus. That’s it..no more and no less.
You seem to think “people like you” are somehow excluded. That is simply not true. This offer is open to every single person on the planet.
So, what must you do?
That’s the terms. Now, if you reject that,the the truth is God has not rejected “people like me.” but you have rejected Him
October 23, 2016 at 09:39
So believe in God (yours – the right one, not the other wrong ones) and go to Heaven or else, go to hell. Thank you – message received loud and clear. You’ve said it several times now Wally. I get the message. This is the definition of blackmail and slavery.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There is nothing joyful and noble about this. The desire to be a slave and a plaything of a god who gets to have it his way all the time is not something to be proud of.
October 23, 2016 at 09:57
Well, I won’t debate whether or not I should be proud. I can honestly see why you would have an issue with that thought; I concede that willingly.
It does seem, however, that you are saying I can’t possibly be joyful about my situation. I find this rather odd. I state…I am in fact joyful. Are you saying I am not? And exactly on what basis do you state as fact that I can’t be joyful? If that is not what you are saying, then I apologize. But if you are saying that, despite my simple statement that I am full of joy, on exactly what basis do your feelings get to dictate what mine are?
Not trying to argue, just making sure I understand what you are saying.
October 23, 2016 at 10:18
I’m not saying that you are not happy Wally. I’ve never said that. What I said, was that it’s not something to be proud of. It’s not something that you should be happy about. There should be nothing exciting, or proud about willingly admitting to being a slave. That you do take comfort in being a slave should be of great concern to your mental health.
Also, Please stop referring to everyone accepting god as a “choice”. A choice implies that you can decide one way or the other without fear of reprisal. Being threatened with hell unless you do as you’re told is not a choice, it’s blackmail. Get it right.
October 23, 2016 at 10:28
Actually, Ashley, choice does not imply that we can do whatever we want with no repercussions. Our employment provides a perfect example of this. There are others as well.
Our employers give us expectations. We can choose not to meet them. We will be fired. Our choice.
The legal system gives us laws. We can choose to not obey them. We will suffer the consequence. Our choice.
So, choice does not mean choice to do what we wish, when we wish and how we wish all of the time. Sometimes our choices operate within the bounds set by those with the authority to set those bounds.
So it is with God.
Have a great day Ashley, I must do actual work now. And seriously, this has been rather enjoyable, and I hope we can do it again.
October 23, 2016 at 14:04
No Wally, this isn’t even remotely like employers giving us a “choice”. We can choose who we work for and where we work. We are free to leave our employers at any time we like to seek employment elsewhere without fear of suffering in hell for eternity. The system of law is meant to be a system that either corrects or punishes bad behaviour. It is not meant to be a system that dispenses draconian, unending, absolutist torture for something as simple as not believing in something. I don’t need any type of laws to prevent me from murdering or raping anyone because I have no interest in such things. I hope you’re not telling me that if it weren’t for the law, you’d “choose” to be whatever you wished, whenever you wished it, because you had no fear of consequence are you? You need laws or the threat of hell to keep you from “choosing” to be a rapist or a murderer?
October 23, 2016 at 06:35
“God is God and he gets to have it His way”
It doesn’t matter what you want, it only matters what god wants.
October 23, 2016 at 06:48
Well..perhaps so Ashley
I suspect you want me to back off and water down the sovereignty of God, as so many do.
Well, I won’t. The absolute truth of the matter is that if God created it all, then it and we are His to do with as He pleases.
Frankly, our distaste for that from the hardness of our human hearts is not relevant.
That sound harsh, but saying it otherwise does a disservice to people
He does ask that we bend to His will and do it His way. He never forces us to, though. So, as I said earlier…it’s our choice.
October 23, 2016 at 08:44
No I don’t want to back off and water down the sovereignty of god. I just wanted you to acknowledge that you consider yourself a slave to the will of the almighty – which you have. You’ve also acknowledged that if I don’t accept this wonderful offer, I’ll burn in hell for all eternity. You can call that a gift if you like, but I’ll refer to it by its proper name. Blackmail.
Which brings me back to my first statement. The desire to be a slave is neither healthy nor is it noble. It’s not something to be celebrated, it’s something to be lamented. It’s a diseased attitude towards life.
October 23, 2016 at 08:53
I am not surprised, nor offended that you have reached the conclusion you have reached, and I suppose it’s pointless to beat each other up over it much more. I do just want to offer on last thing for you to consider, and I hope you will come back here anytime you want to talk.
Only 10 short years ago…I was you. I thought Christians were sick puppies, and stupid to boot. I also took great joy in mocking them and their beliefs. Want to know something else? I did it live and in person. I never read a Christian blog in my life at the time, and wasn’t really on line. So, my distaste had to be spread in person.
Anyhow, I mean it when I say I have enjoyed this conversation.
Have a great day.
October 23, 2016 at 09:31
You can’t be surprised. It’s the only conclusion one can come to. Do as I say or burn in hell. This is blackmail pure and simple. Submitting yourself to this is slavery. Look up the dictionary definition of blackmail and slavery.
So something happened 10 years ago and you suddenly realized that you know which god is the right one, the proper way to worship him, what happens after you die, what you can do or say to prevent punishment in the afterlife and you now have the mystery of the universe all figured out? If you can bring yourself to believe that, good for you.
October 25, 2016 at 03:54
May it be unto me as you please Lord🙏.
October 25, 2016 at 04:27
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