christian quotes, quotes
September 25, 2016 at 13:00
The old jesus people song by maranatha rings in my ears as I read this. “Let’s forget about ourselves…”
It’s a mass self hypnosis/brainwashing activity designed to negate your individual identity and value. And to think I used to lead worship
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September 25, 2016 at 13:05
What made you apostatize?
September 25, 2016 at 13:06
Learned too much to stay Christian
September 25, 2016 at 13:07
What convinced you to defect
September 25, 2016 at 13:08
Sorry, don’t want to hijack Wally’s post. You can read and comment on my blog if you like. I’ll answer any question you want to ask as honestly as I can
September 25, 2016 at 13:09
September 25, 2016 at 13:11
September 26, 2016 at 09:23
But honestly Spaniard, Wallys response to me in this thread is part of what motivated me to ask even more questions and uncover the answers I didn’t expect to find. This video describes similar treatment I received last year as I tried to ask questions both here and on a different blog you might also frequent. I was still holding on to my faith by a thread, but some people seem not to be willing to explore or think beyond their own understanding. Watch the video and tell me what you think on my blog please.
September 26, 2016 at 09:50
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September 26, 2016 at 09:51
I will give you my honest opinion
September 26, 2016 at 09:52
That’s the problem
You think you get to ask all of the questions and that any attempt to get you to answer one is punishment
That’s not the way it works
So again I challenge to to defend the statement you made
PROVE that the intent of all worship is to brainwash
Quite whining about the big mean Christian is picking on you and back up what you say
After all…if I am the incompetent Christian you say I am my words should not harm you at all.
So..back what you said a another I’m being picked on video is not the answer
September 26, 2016 at 10:02
Pure wally. Have a great day
September 26, 2016 at 11:11
So..you can’t back what you said
September 26, 2016 at 11:19
So… I’ve declined to answer, stop filling my silence with your words of what you think I’m saying. Not polite. Have a great day, Get that
September 26, 2016 at 11:26
But why silent? It’s just a question
You stated something as fact
Just offering a fair chance for you to defend it
September 26, 2016 at 11:28
… and I’ve declined… several times, for stated reasons. You must be desperate for conversation. Is this a new blogging strategy? Because it’s not working
September 26, 2016 at 11:35
Lol bye Mike
September 26, 2016 at 10:32
You should watch the video wally.
September 25, 2016 at 13:21
Feel free to have it out, right here and right now.
You are the one who thundered in while missing the entire point of the post in the first place.
Nobody in their right mind would go to your place so that you and your pack of haters can mock, insult and so forth.
You were asked a question. Your answer is lousy. Saying you became smart enough to reject the creator God of the universe is NOT an argument.
Tell us why you REALLY turned away. What did you come to love more that the God you still know exists?
Spaniard, don’t waste your time over there, it’s just a snake pit.
September 25, 2016 at 13:24
“It’s a mass self hypnosis/brainwashing activity designed to negate your individual identity and value”
Um..can you prove that is the intent of worship? Sound like a broad, sweeping statement of rebellion with nothing to back it up to me.
For, instance, prove that what I do this afternoon is what said. Do you know us? Do you know what we do? Got some peer reviewed papers to back up that blanket assertion?
You said, it, back it
Ready, set go..as your atheist mentors like to say.
September 25, 2016 at 13:34
Amazingly and amazingly hostile for the Lord’s day wally. Have some coffee, juice and relax. Enjoy the day
September 25, 2016 at 13:37
How about you back the assertion you made, Mike?
Your comment implies that it is the intent of those leading worship to brainwash and control.
No hostility here…just prove what you said.
Here is the deal, Mike..grow up. The very instant you are asked a question rather than getting to interrogate Christians…you scream like a baby and say you are greeted with hostility.
No hostility here, just a challenge that you prove the broad, sweeping statement you made, fueled by nothing but your hatred for God and God’s people
September 26, 2016 at 01:51
Amen…true worship is about Him and less about us.
September 26, 2016 at 11:38
I don’t think it’s really that hard to realize that the main purpose of worship is to reinforce (false) ideas that have been implanted into people’s heads. Religion (all of it, not just yours) is an exercise in believing the unbelievable. It requires you to abandon the faculties of critical thinking and logic and to submit to authority to believe in something for which there is no evidence. The only way to continue to believe the unbelievable is to have it drilled into your head, have it constantly reinforced (say every Sunday) and to not question it. Thus, the brainwashing claim.
I notice that you exhibit the very behavior (of a brainwashed person) while denying it’s existence:
Creating straw man arguments “You were asked a question. Your answer is lousy. Saying you became smart enough to reject the creator God of the universe is NOT an argument.” Mike did not say he rejected the creator god of the universe. He said he rejected Christianity because he couldn’t bring himself to believe it any longer. One could completely reject Christianity, and still believe in a creator god (a deist). This is the type of argument made by a person who doesn’t not read and understand what someone says to him, but rather responds to another question that is entirely of his own making.
Being a mind reader: “Tell us why you REALLY turned away. What did you come to love more that the God you still know exists?” Rejecting Christianity has nothing to do with “loving something more” than anything. It is, again, the refusal to believe in something that is illogical and irrational. There is no possible way you could know that Mike “loves something more than the God he knows exists”. Again, another argument made by someone who doesn’t not want to listen and understand but rather just wants to ask and answer his own questions.
Advising others that subjecting your thinking to something other than what you ascribe to is to be avoided: “Spaniard, don’t waste your time over there, it’s just a snake pit.”
These are telltale signs of someone who has been brainwashed Wally.
I can relay to you with all honesty, that I am not saying any of these things because I “hate God” or because I hate “God’s people”. I am saying these things as a person who cannot believe any of the outrageous things that would be required, were I to become a Christian – or a member of any other religious group for that matter.
I trust that you will be sincere enough to publish my reply without alteration or moderation.
September 26, 2016 at 12:30
Hi Ashley, thanks for coming by.
Number one, contrary to what you have been led to believe, I don’t alter comments, and only in rare cases have I moderated. That last sentence sort of sets a tone that is hard to get beyond.
Next. Your assertion that all believers have suspended critical thinking is simply false. Your certainly don’t know me well enough to state that.
You stated that it is easy to realize worship is designed to brainwash. Yes, it is easy for you to realize that.
The point it, the statement made was presented as a fact. That being that worship is, in fact, designed to brainwash others. That implies that the intention in all cases is just that. Well, that is actually quite false. I certainly don’t worship with the intent of brainwashing others. Nor do millions of others.
But, a broad sweeping assertion was made, and I really thing it ought to be backed with more than what folks think about God and the worship of Him.
So, back to my very specific question. The assertion was made, I’d like to see it backed up. with something other than..”it’s easy to realize.”
September 26, 2016 at 13:34
I’m not sure why I can’t reply to your comment and have to add a new one.
I haven’t been led to believe anything about you specifically. I notice that many religious believers are quick to moderate, edit or delete comments. Your friend CS has done it many times to me and has now banned me from commenting on his site. Ditto for other Christians I have talked to. I just didn’t know whether or not you are that kind of Christian.
“Next. Your assertion that all believers have suspended critical thinking is simply false. Your certainly don’t know me well enough to state that.”
You’ve started straw manning my original statements right away. We’re not off to a very good start. I never said that all believers have suspended critical thinking. I said that in order to believe in religion, you have to suspend critical thinking and logic. The degree to which people will believe the claims of any religion is directly proportional to their willingness and capacity to suspend critical thinking and logic. There are many believers who utilize critical thinking and logic in many other endeavors of their lives (like Francis Collins for example, when conducting the human genome project) and then throw that same critical thinking and logic out the window to believe the more ridiculous tenants of the Christian religion.
Why are there thousands and thousands of different gods being worshiped (none of whom have been proven to exist) multiple times a day in a multitude of different ways (different religions)? It’s because in order to perpetuate the belief in something that is not believable, it must be constantly reinforced as being true. This is the definition of brainwashing. Worshipping a very specific deity (to the exclusion of all others), that’s never been proven to exist is brainwashing in practice.
“I certainly don’t worship with the intent of brainwashing others. Nor do millions of others.” You worship because you have been brainwashed into thinking that your religion is the real deal and that your god is the real McCoy. So do millions of others.
There are several reasons why you are a Christian Wally. All of which have to do with history and geography and none of them have anything to do with evidence or reason.
September 26, 2016 at 13:42
You actually have no idea how I became a Christian
September 26, 2016 at 14:18
You say that, but I actually do have an idea. I don’t know your life story, but I know the following:
1) You live in a part of the world that is dominated by the Christian religion
2) You live in an historical time in which the Christian religion is the most popular religion in the world
If you’d been born in Saudi Arabia, the odds that you’d be a Muslim are overwhelming. If you’d been born in Scandinavia 1500 years ago, you’d believe in Norse gods and you would never have heard of Jesus Christ or Christianity.
As I said, everything to do with history and geography (when you were born and where) and nothing whatsoever to do with the truth claims of the specific religion that you believe in because there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that anything about Christianity or any other religion is true. It all relies on faith.
September 26, 2016 at 14:35
Do you notice that I have said nothing about your, your motivations, or what fuels your belief or lack of belief? That is because I have no clue, as I know nothing about you.
Here is the deal. You have no clue if your presumptions about me have any basis in fact. That is because you know absolutely nothing about me.
So, unless you want to just hand around and get to know one another, I suppose we have reached an impasse.
Come back sometime.
September 26, 2016 at 17:05
I’ve said it several times Wally. You’ve just chosen to not listen and to ignore it. The reason I don’t believe in Christianity or any other religion is because there is no reason to suggest that any of it is true. There is no need to know anything else about me as it has no effect in my capacity to reject irrational, illogical claims. Just like I don’t believe in the tooth fairy, or the Loch Ness monster or any other supernatural beings. There’s no evidence to suggest that any of them exist.
I have read your “About me”. I have not presumed anything. I know you are from Arkansas – a bible belt state. You went to your local church at the urging of a friend, where, after getting bored with that, continued to attend because you were sweet on some girl you met there.
I don’t need to know your life story to understand why you, and millions of Americans who live in the bible belt, are Christians. As I have said several times now, it’s got nothing to do with evidence and reason and everything to do with history and geography. You can continue to assert that I “don’t know you” all you like. It doesn’t change anything
I will close by reciting my favourite Omar Khayyam Quatrain
“And do you think, that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret and denied it me?
Well, well, what matters it? Believe that too.”
You think that because you attend some missionary baptist church in southeast Arkansas, you can claim to know which god is the right one, how to receive his grace and that you know your ultimate destiny? No Wally, I don’t think you know any such thing. You’ve been brain washing into thinking that.
September 26, 2016 at 17:22
Well I reckon that settles things lol
September 27, 2016 at 07:49
I know it’s rather unsettling to maybe consider the possibility that you’ve spent a good portion of your time glorifying a myth and believing in something that has no basis in fact. I know that your first instinct is to shut down and not listen to someone who says that. The world can be a big scary place sometimes Wally. Ignorance may be bliss but it’s not a very admirable way to live one’s life.
September 27, 2016 at 05:12
Worship is not about discovering who WE are; it’s about discovering who God is
I saw the Stones in Johannesburg in 1995. Nearly 50, 000 people in the crowd.
It’s ALL about discovering about who we are.
And the big difference is, Jagger spoke and sang to us.
There is no evidence your god has ever uttered a single word …. ever.
It’s true, you can’t always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need.
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