christian quotes, quotes
September 10, 2016 at 12:05
Lol. The lion seems to be doing a fairly poor job of it lately then.
September 10, 2016 at 12:07
No..no. The Lion is doing just fine.
Some are just doing a poor job of listening
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September 10, 2016 at 15:20
Wally, forgive me in advance; KIA has blocked/deleted my comments from his site, so I must address him here or elsewhere.
Strange, when you think of it, as you Mike have dedicated at least a post per week on the hypocrisy you say you see in Christians….not to mention your continuous bashing of others for supposedly blocking/deleting your comments.
What’s the term for you now Mike.
And, as for your inability to understand the teachings of Jesus, I thought this one [John 15:6] that you sought to bash was quite simple.
Go outside, cut a branch from a vine… observe what happens to the branch.
Answer or proof not yet clear to you Mike?
The fear or /worship of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge… but fools despise wisdom and instruction…
hmm… I wonder why…
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September 10, 2016 at 15:33
No apology needed my friend. Of course I read over there, and have personally seen comments edited. Hey, that’s a blog owners perogative.
It’s theirs after all.
It’s like the constant accusation of how poor Mike is insulted and attacked at every turn, but all he every does here is wade in, toss an insult my way, then run off and write a post insulting some believer.
It’s clearly a ploy to get believers to go over there so Pastor Mike can deconvert them.
I note he brags on his lastest post, that “Christian blogs fear me.”
Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
That wins an award for the stupidest comment in history.
I don’t fear Mike and his pathetic flailing.
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September 10, 2016 at 16:11
I’m glad you mentioned that last part, about being feared.
At least it’s good for laughs. I thought it was hilarious!
September 11, 2016 at 07:27
Mike said people fear him? Why would we?
September 11, 2016 at 07:42
Yeah, he did. Said Christian bloggers fear Him. But, as to your question itself, I have no clue why he would think such a thing.
September 11, 2016 at 09:27
He must define fear differently than I do.
September 10, 2016 at 16:06
Actually, I haven’t blocked anyone. I’ll check my spam and get back to you
September 10, 2016 at 16:07
Sorry. I’ve been in northern az for my anniversary. There were two comments in spam. I just fished them out.
September 10, 2016 at 16:17
No problem… and thank you.
Signal isn’t the greatest here in the mountains
September 10, 2016 at 19:42
You’ll have to fish out my response to Peter and a follow up from GMF. Thanks.
September 10, 2016 at 20:34
Sorry. Just getting home
September 11, 2016 at 09:12
Thank you…. appreciate it.
September 11, 2016 at 15:36
Mike, please retrieve 3 comments for me. Thanks.
September 11, 2016 at 15:39
Just saw the one, but I fished two out earlier
September 11, 2016 at 15:40
Okay thanks…. I’ll check.
September 11, 2016 at 15:45
They’re all there. Yes, it was those 2 plus this current 1.
September 10, 2016 at 13:00
Sometimes we feel like we need to “defend” that lion and that is NOT what God has called any of us to do! We can point out the “lion”, point the way to the “lion”, even exhort what the “lion” does, but we never have to defend it for it stands and always will on its own!! I love Spurgeon’s teachings and you know brother, he didn’t hold back, he didn’t apologize for pointing out the truth, whether it seemed pleasant or harsh at times, he always stood firm in his teachings! Great thought and post, brother.
September 10, 2016 at 13:02
So true brother Roland, so true. God needs little of my help, but only asks that I spread the message.
September 10, 2016 at 13:15
When we point out: ‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth………..and that it was very good…….and that the Word was with God, and the Word was God…………..and that the wages of sin is death……..and that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures………….and that we all have received of Hid fulness………….’
THIS is not our opinion, and this is what infuriates the infidel or unbeliever. This is simply affirming what has already been confirmed to us. The wayward heart cannot tolerate the absolutes of scripture, therefore they confuse confidence which is good, with arrogance which is bad.
Scripture is the anvil which has wore out every hammer of attack it. It’s the peashooter thing eh W?
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September 10, 2016 at 13:26
It is my friend.
In fact that’s a favorite quote we use at work a lot, and it fits what we see around these parts. Don’t know why I didn’t make the connection before.
“It is what it is.”
We say that almost daily. Meaning…deal with it, as that is reality. YOU change to reflect reality, as reality is not changing because you don’t like it.
September 10, 2016 at 13:29
That’s kind of an odd statement, “not to defend God’s Word”. In Titus 1:9 it states: “He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.”
Jesus Himself defended the Word of God about the resurrection which the Sadducee’s completely denied it as found in Matthew 22:29 which says, “28In the resurrection, then, whose wife will she be of the seven? For all of them were married to her.” 29Jesus replied, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.”
Wally, I know you meant well but I would rephrase it because it sounds off. Anyways Wally, its your site just giving you my opinion just in case someone might misunderstand that it is OK not to defend scripture when its being misinterpreted. Just looking out.
September 10, 2016 at 13:41
What is is that needs rephrasing exactly?
Not to be contentious, but you quoted something I’m not seeing that I even said.”not to defend God’s Word”
Did I miss something? As I look at my words and I don’t see that.
My friend, I think if you read through the comments you will see exactly what the point here was, and nobody was saying that correct doctrine is not important. In fact, the reference to The Word of God was not even a reference to doctrine at all. but as some commenters have pointed out that God Himself, Jesus, The Word, doesn’t require that we defend Him, but that we spread His message.
But I am concerned that I was quoted saying something that I didn’t say. Since I quoted Charles Spurgeon, it’s rather hard for me to rephrase that, as then it would not be a quote anymore.
September 10, 2016 at 14:50
I’m glad that it wasn’t you who came up with this phrase. I don’t know to much about Charles Spurgeon but I do say that Charles saying is very strange. The quote that God’s Word is like a lion and you don’t have to defend a lion is a miss application. The Bible is full of verses stating the opposite that’s why is good to remember that the reformers are just men who quotes need to be matched up with scripture to see if its sound. But I’m glad to hear that it wasn’t your quote. I’m a lover of the Word and when I read the quote, immediately I knew that it was off. If you don’t see anything wrong with it than that’s fine I was letting you know what I felt was off and Titus and Matthew were verses that actually said the opposite. Hey, if I ever say something weird I would hope someone would bring it to my attention…I’m not trying to make a big deal of it I was just letting you know what I felt.
September 10, 2016 at 15:07
Well I appreciate it. But, again my friend, I don’t think you are really understanding exactly what he meant by that quote. I stand firmly behind what was actually meant.
This was NOT addressing correct Doctrine. Not. I think if you read the comments you will clearly understand what was meant here.
Again, the quote is not off. It means exactly what it means and what the comments here indicate it means.
I promise I am not trying to be contentious here my friend, but there are simply no violations of Scripture occurring here.
I know doctrine matters. It matters a lot. But here is a new flash. Just because you interpret a scripture a certain way does not make it correct, nor does my interpretation of one make it correct.
I think we need to be very careful when we play doctrine police. And not to offend, but I feel I am being policed here.
I am sorry, but I stand behind what was said in the quote. I simply does not meat what you have determined it to mean.
The Word of God. God’s Law. God’s presence. Jesus, the Word of God…needs no defense from us. He merely needs us to unleash that word by proclaiming the Gospel and speaking truth.
This quote was NOT saying untruth needs to go unanswered.
September 10, 2016 at 15:52
If loving the Word of God makes me a doctrine police like you said then by all means I would like to be the best doctrine police with the help of the Holy Spirit I can be for the sake of helping my brothers and sisters in Christ, I have been called worse. I won’t call you any names Wally I know better then do name calling for we have to be mature in Christ. Just to let you know I’m not offended but I still hold to what scripture says in Titus to defend the Word of God. Don’t worry Wally I won’t try to correct your quotes again.
September 10, 2016 at 16:02
Nobody is name calling here my friend.
And nobody has said there is anything wrong with loving the Word of God. But, truth…..we won’t agree on what every word of that Word means. We don’t and we won ‘t. And when we start judging the quality of another’s faith by their full agreement with how we interpret every passage in Scripture, then it becomes problematic.
But, it’s all good
September 10, 2016 at 16:08
Man, I don’t know what you’re saying, I haven’t questioned your faith or anyone else. I’m not judging you I’m judging the quote which we are called to do to make sure that it is sound. Anyways this is my last reply in regards to Charles quote. You don’t see what I have said but like you think I’m misunderstanding you, for sure you are misunderstand me and it is going no where. We agree to disagree about the quote.
Not hot beans but cooled ones.
September 10, 2016 at 16:21
September 10, 2016 at 15:10
There is a section in Ephesians 6 that speaks of the Armor of God. We are to don that armor. The Bible is our protection. The truth it provides us. The wisdom it gives us. The peace with which it fills us. Our faith in it. Our knowledge and our understanding of it.
The Word itself provides us the only offensive weapon we need. We call it the sword of the Spirit.
The Bible protect us and defends us, not we it. Don’t you have a series on this section in Ephesians 6? Then you already know this. When we don the Armor of God, the Word of God is the lion that defends us. Now ain’t that a mixed metaphor? Nevertheless, it is true.
September 10, 2016 at 15:56
Maybe I misunderstood the quote By Charles but I personally would say much more different. Jesus in Matthew 4 used the Word to defend the Word from Satan’s misinterpretation. I agree with you I just disagree how the quotes phrases it that’s all. I’m not bad mouthing Mr. Charles just think his quote was off.
September 10, 2016 at 17:44
Maybe I misunderstood the quote By Charles but I personally would say much more different.
I too would say what Wally said differently, but Wally chose Charles Spurgeon’s words, not mine or yours.
In a hundred years, people will probably still be quoting Charles Spurgeon. Me? You? I have no idea, and it is not very important anyway. What matters it that our Lord remembers. Nevertheless, Charles Spurgeon’s was a good teacher of the Word of God. So you may find it worth your time to study some of his writings.
September 10, 2016 at 17:57
You and I with Charles Spurgeon are not important but what is important is the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word. I’d rather read the Word of God with a clear mind than to have my mind filled with someone else’s theology and be clouded between the Holy Spirit’s interpretation and some theologian’s.
September 10, 2016 at 18:29
Pride and reason are adversaries. So let us both set our personal feelings aside.
Let’s for a moment just consider whether your plan is practical.
I’d rather read the Word of God with a clear mind than to have my mind filled with someone else’s theology and be clouded between the Holy Spirit’s interpretation and some theologian’s.
I don’t know enough. So I do not believe I can follow your plan.
Since I get excited about what I read in scripture, I like to share my thoughts and discuss them with others. However, if what you propose is true, then it would be a mistake for me post anything. Instead of being helpful either to myself or others, the interchange on my blog would just serve as cloud between the Holy Spirit and my self and my readers. In fact, if what you propose is true, commentaries are useless, Bible study is for chickens, Christian books should be burned, and seminaries emptied.
I need other people’s help. I have on occasion either misunderstood or been unable to comprehend what the Bible says. So I participate with a Bible group, happily read commentaries and Christian books, and even consult with my pastor. When I seek help, I return to the Bible better able to understand and better rewarded for my efforts.
God wants us to love each other. Perhaps that is why He made it necessary that we must depend upon each other.
So let’s not be silly. Let’s be happy we are not alone. God made Eve because without other people we are incomplete.
September 10, 2016 at 18:58
I agree with you that we do learn from people or other Christians that is 100% correct no problems there, we both are in cahoots. My disagreement goes not to the pastors or teachers of the Word but to someone that you know for sure is bias and leans toward one position. For an example:
“It is no novelty, then, that I am preaching; no new doctrine. I love to proclaim these strong old doctrines, that are called by nickname Calvinism, but which are surely and verily the revealed truth of God as it is in Christ Jesus.” —Charles Spurgeon
Now, I do listen sometimes to John MacArthur but to be honest in his messages of Calvinism rarely surfaces but only his explaining the Word in application to ones life which John does a great job. Mr. MacArthur has said some bad things like one can still be saved if they receive the mark of the beast which made me almost fall out of my chair. I can’t listen to R.C. Sproul all he talks about are the reformers. I’m not an Arminian or a Calvinist and the reason why is because I read the Word of God without learning their theology on specific things. I don’t like to listen to Pentecostal preachers either because they teach you to be careful in losing your salvation which is clear in scripture like John 10:28 that you cannot. They are also very bias from what they have learned from their camp. I see in scripture election and choose now, how do they both work is not evident or clear but they complement each other while some not all take one side. I try to stay away from the ones that go one direction while the Bible talks about both. If you like Calvin, Charles and etc that’s fine but I’m more caution in whom I let in my house if you know what I mean. Even when I hear the pastor preach I depend on the Holy Spirit telling me that what the pastor is teaching me is Biblical and how does the Holy Spirit do this? By we as Christians reading daily through prayer the Word of God so we won’t get deceived.
September 10, 2016 at 20:30
Good! You know your Bible, and you are not afraid to cite it. Consider the rest of that passage, all of John 10:22-30. We actually do not need to worry too much about being deceived. We just need to listen for His voice, to keep in His Word.
I have listened to the men you mentioned and found it rewarding. Don’t agree with anyone about everything, but R. C. Sproul approaches the Bible without setting reason aside, and that appeals to me. Since John MacArthur has a similar theology, I suspect you just find Sproul’s academic emphasis uninteresting.
Which is the true doctrine? I think it is to be found in the Bible, but interpretations of the Bible vary considerably. At least to some extent, every Christian church gets it wrong. Why do I say that? We cannot even agree upon how to interpret the U. S. Constitution. That is a relatively short and simple document of comparatively recent origin, but we tend too often to be self-serving or just ignorant. Therefore, some of us will say with a straight face things about the Constitution that are either untrue or at least dubious. Even supposedly learned judges will present utter nonsense as incontrovertibly factual. When we pass such untruths (Obamacare is constitutional?) onto our children, the damage can be very difficult to undo.
The Bible, on the other hand, is an ancient and complex work. Most of us cannot read it in the original language. Therefore, without the help of the Holy Spirit, we can easily get mixed up about it, and we do.
With the help of the Holy Spirit? Who knows? There are times I have had insights that surprised me, but I am still a long way from deciding which is the true Christian church, much less starting my own.
Therefore, I settled on a Bible-believing church that meets near to my home. The folks there focus on the Bible, teaching and learning God’s Word, and spreading the Gospel. Do we always get it right? That is not likely. No human being always gets it right, but we do our best.
The best I think I can do is to help the folks in my church and pray our Lord will guide our efforts.
I surveyed the list of Ministries on your website under Christian Resources. I have listened to several of those men on occasion. I guess they are okay. John told us how to identify apostates in 1 John. So long as they believe in certain obvious fundamental truths (The Apostle’s Creed is a good summary.) and don’t interfere in spreading the Gospel, I don’t see much to be gained by criticizing other Christians. It is, after all, as you say. If we encourage each other to read and study the Bible — if we approach the Bible humbly — the Holy Spirit will help Jesus’ sheep sort out what is true from what is untrue.
September 10, 2016 at 21:05
I liked everything you said. I grow up in a family of witchcraft or Santeria and seen things in my house like demons walking around when I was small. When I gave my life to Christ the attacks came strong. I believe because of my families worship of demons God gave me a strong desire for the Word and I mean everything that’s spiritual I measure with the Word whoever it might be without prejudice. Why because I love Truth found in Jesus the Word of God. I’m like this because my zeal for the Word of truth consumes me. I wish I had time to tell you some of my testimonies how God helped me from impossible situations. It was very nice talking to you Tom and I understood your point of view. I’m with you on encouragement, that’s something that I enjoy doing but at the same time if I see a brother say something that’s wrong not heresy, I in a loving way which I’m still working on correct them just like some brothers in the past have helped me as well and I’m thankful forbthast because we are here to help each other regardless if its to encourage or correct.
September 10, 2016 at 21:07
Amen to that
September 11, 2016 at 05:26
Enjoyed chatting with you as well. Go with our Lord’s peace.
September 10, 2016 at 13:34
I agree with Roland here. The people who most want us to defend God’s Word aren’t trying to believe anyway, in fact, they lack the capacity to believe no matter how good out defense may be anyway.
Truth is, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess no matter what anyone says.
September 10, 2016 at 13:42
Thanks James. Yeah, God can take care of himself I reckon huh?
September 10, 2016 at 15:21
2 Timothy 3:16-17 states, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
Remember the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8? Didn’t God send Philip to explain to him what he was reading?
Acts 18:26 of Apollos,”He began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.”
God can take care of himself. But as his ambassadors, it is our duty to be able to explain it to people even if they receive it or not, both to the babes in Christ and to the unbeliever. When those devoid of the Holy Spirit are left to concoct their own interpretation, is it why most cults are born.
September 10, 2016 at 15:28
Yes, I agree totally
Again, this does not mean we are not to preach the Gospel, preach the truth, nor defend scripture.
That’s not was was being said.
I suppose what you see in the quote is no more than presuppositinal apologetics in action. We don’t have to work to prove God or His word, we operate from the position that is simply is true.
Look, again, I agree. Doctrine matters, It matters a lot. I choose to fellowshlip with those who agree with me doctrinally.
The thing is, we don’t all agree in every single point of scripture. We simply don’t, nor will we. That is ok. But when we start tossing around words like false teaching, and cults over non essential doctrinal issue, that is a problem.
That is all I am saying here.
September 10, 2016 at 15:41
“The thing is, we don’t all agree in every single point of scripture. We simply don’t, nor will we.” -Agreed.
Some people like Spurgeon’s quote and that’s okay. Some people don’t like it and that’s okay too. No tossing anything around except that it cannot be argued God sends people to clarify His word to those He sees might need the clarification. That is what I am saying 🙂
September 10, 2016 at 15:43
Then we agree 100 percent!
September 10, 2016 at 19:21
Wally can you fix an error in spelling I did. In responding to Citizen Tom I put possession instead of position. Can you fix it? Thanks
September 10, 2016 at 20:56
September 10, 2016 at 21:09
September 10, 2016 at 21:41
I quit reading through all the hurrah because I got tired. What I got out of the quote was that Mr. Spurgeon was simply saying… let the Word defend itself. If someone contradicts the word, correct them with the word of God, not personal opinion.
September 10, 2016 at 21:56
September 11, 2016 at 02:12
You can tell you’ve struck a nerve Wally when you get 40+ comments on a one sentence post! Great quote, lots to chew on. 🙂
September 11, 2016 at 05:20
Indeed Tricia it seems to have sparked interest. That is okay sometimes intense discussion is a good thing!
September 11, 2016 at 05:32
It is strange what sets us off. I suppose we cannot give up the idea that it is all about us. It is not. It is all about Him. He saves us, not we Him.
September 11, 2016 at 22:01
I agree Tricia!
I love this quote from Warfield
September 11, 2016 at 23:05
September 12, 2016 at 05:15
Thanks Bill for sharing this!
September 12, 2016 at 06:13
April 26, 2017 at 22:22
Great Spurgeon quote.
April 27, 2017 at 04:12
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