October 20, 2015 at 15:42
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October 20, 2015 at 15:43
October 20, 2015 at 15:46
Yes to talk about but not debate. Debate ends up a lot like the picture. People enter the discussion loaded for bear.
October 20, 2015 at 15:48
Yes so I don’t debate it! We do however have to agree that He is coming back
October 20, 2015 at 16:01
LOL! Very cute, Wally. A-yep.
One of my favorite eschatology debates is the theory of panism. That’s the idea that suggests it’s all going to pan out in the end. 😉
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That’s my theory too IB!
October 20, 2015 at 16:03
I definitely agree that the simple issue of Him just actually coming back is of utmost importance, BUT…..
Isn’t the question of whether or not we’re just going to be “secretly whisked away” before TSHTF, or we might actually have to both endure persecution, and not be pulled away by the Great Deception (both of which the Bible says quite a bit about) one that could said is probably fairly important too….?
October 20, 2015 at 16:19
Maybe important I just dont debate it. Lol.
October 20, 2015 at 16:40
Yeah, it was never really something I was interested in discussing/debating myself either, until one day I happened to come across II Thessalonians 2, and suddenly the Scripture was undeniable in that it was basically saying that so much of what I had always been taught about “Eschatology” growing up in church, was just flat out not true…. 😉
October 20, 2015 at 16:42
What are your thought in a nutshell? I won’t even argue if I don’t agree! I am just curious
October 20, 2015 at 17:12
Nutshell? The Bible does not teach a “pre-Trib Rapture”. Period. II Thessalonians 2 makes this abundantly clear, but then add to the that what Jesus says in Matthew 24, etc….
When you then go back and start to actually research the when/where of how pre-Trib teaching came into the Church, it gets even more interesting…
We are talking about a doctrine which really did not exist prior to about a century ago. (+/-)
October 20, 2015 at 17:17
Im ok with that. In the work I am part of there is a mix of pre mid and post tribulation folks. Compelling cases can be made for all. Im a pre trib guy but there’s room for all.
October 20, 2015 at 17:31
Well, I certainly don’t “dis-fellowship” myself from anyone over the issue, and I admit, it’s not a “Salvific” issue, at least, not for the majority of people in history (because until we actually are IN that specific moment of history, it’s all just a hypothetical conversation anyhow…)
But that’s the twist, isn’t it? For that particular generation, who WILL be alive and on the Earth when the “Eschatological rubber meets the road”, it actually seems like it very well COULD be a “Salvation issue” at that point, so….
Jesus warns about a Deception so great that “even the Elect might be deceived…”, yet nowhere in my experience of having grown up being taught pre-Trib did I ever encounter much thought given to what kinds of “Deception” that might be. Everyone was just bopping along with the World, questioning little else than the ever-present “decline of Christian morals in society” etc.
Clueless, to what kinds of things are actually happening in the World, even now!
October 20, 2015 at 17:37
Well about all I can add is that I really really hope I am right and you are wrong!
October 20, 2015 at 16:04
Probably not for the seeker-sensitive, a concept that I feel can be a bit indulging, if you get my drift. Great post.
October 20, 2015 at 16:18
Thanks Dawn for reading and commenting. And yes it can be a tough conversation
October 20, 2015 at 19:12
I don’t care what anybody says about Mel, William Wallace–aka Braveheart—he was the man, Scottish man that is 🙂
October 20, 2015 at 19:14
Seems to be a common sentiment among those of the female persuasion LOL.
October 20, 2015 at 19:15
One of my favorite all time movies—perhaps it’s those Scotch / Irish roots of mine 🙂
October 20, 2015 at 19:25
and yes, I still very much enjoy Mel as an actor–I just wish The Passion of the Christ has moved his heart in the right direction….
October 20, 2015 at 19:18
Oh…I loved the movie. Simply excellent and Mel was perfect for the part. Im a fan any way of his. And I am rather partial to the…um…Wallace name. Know what I mean?
October 20, 2015 at 19:23
ain’t no doubt Brave Wally heart…. 🙂
October 20, 2015 at 19:35
Those are my roots too I am Wallace McDaniel Fry how Scottish is that?
October 20, 2015 at 19:36
hootmaan me boy
October 20, 2015 at 19:39
There ya go. To go over would be cool. I’ve been to Europe but not the UK
October 20, 2015 at 19:45
Now I loved Ireland—it has spoken to my heart and soul, calling me home…now I need to complete the genealogical circle and make my way to Scotland.
If I could move to Ireland, I’d go in a heart beat—the land, the sea and sky meet as one—the hand of the Creator is most still evident—
October 20, 2015 at 20:18
Your writing while there certainly reflected it as you were writing really great stuff
October 20, 2015 at 20:45
thanks Wally–everything I’ve written since my return is a direct result of being touched by His Grace
October 21, 2015 at 03:00
October 21, 2015 at 04:18
I thought you would appreciate that one Brother Jim
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